Facts v Beliefs - The Magic Roundabout

Aug 2019
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There are two types of thought, using belief and facts. Subjective and objective. You can’t disprove a belief using facts and you can’t prove a fact using beliefs. They’re different thought processes and it would be like trying to solve a math question using English grammar. That’s why there’s nothing more amusing than watching polarized left and right trying to debate. One will say here’s the evidence and the other will say I don’t believe you. That’s why liberals always think they win a debate because no one can prove a belief wrong.

Debaters love Google, but Google largely consists of second hand opinions based on beliefs. From the Flat Earth Society to religion and onto a hologram universe; these beliefs are presented as facts and counter arguments using facts are demanded to disprove the beliefs. As they can neither be proved nor disproved, the beliefs become facts to the believers.

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed — and hence clamorous to be led to safety — by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary - The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false face for the urge to rule it." H.L. Mencken.

In the US the belief system took hold in 2008 when a pretend Messiah arrived to heal America; make the population colour blind and eradicate racism (or was it mistaken for the behaviour of sub-cultures). That it didn’t happen is not surprising as the ideas were abstracts based on beliefs.

The Anointed One

Mr. Gore also enthusiastically joined in with a statement that the Antarctic ice caps would melt by 2013. That they factually didn’t isn’t the point; he managed to convince tens of millions to believe they would.

Belief or fact? "The world is going to end in 12 years if we don't address climate change." - Ocasio-Cortez, NYC, 2019.

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"It doesn't matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true." – Paul Watson, Founder of Greenpeace.

"We routinely wrote scare stories...Our press reports were more or less true...We were out to whip the public into a frenzy about the environment." - Jim Sibbison, environmental journalist, former public relations official for the Environmental Protection Agency.

The Anointed One Mark 2

Not to be outdone, in 2016 came another bearer of beliefs. The 'Messiah' title had worn thin by now and so this one came with a red cap appointed by Christ.

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No abstracts here. This one would build a wall to keep out the millions of illegals who’d already arrived. "Lock her up, definitely maybe and recreate an impossible second industrial revolution and … Fact or belief, you decide.


The west has now largely regressed back to an age of superstition and PC heresy. The point is that if you’re unable to explain except by repetition based on subjective opinion, what you’ve heard is also very unlikely to be factual, but will make perfect sense in an age of beliefs.



 

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Oct 2010
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There are two types of thought, using belief and facts. Subjective and objective. You can’t disprove a belief using facts and you can’t prove a fact using beliefs. They’re different thought processes and it would be like trying to solve a math question using English grammar. That’s why there’s nothing more amusing than watching polarized left and right trying to debate. One will say here’s the evidence and the other will say I don’t believe you. That’s why liberals always think they win a debate because no one can prove a belief wrong.

Debaters love Google, but Google largely consists of second hand opinions based on beliefs. From the Flat Earth Society to religion and onto a hologram universe; these beliefs are presented as facts and counter arguments using facts are demanded to disprove the beliefs. As they can neither be proved nor disproved, the beliefs become facts to the believers.

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed — and hence clamorous to be led to safety — by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary - The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false face for the urge to rule it." H.L. Mencken.

In the US the belief system took hold in 2008 when a pretend Messiah arrived to heal America; make the population colour blind and eradicate racism (or was it mistaken for the behaviour of sub-cultures). That it didn’t happen is not surprising as the ideas were abstracts based on beliefs.

The Anointed One

Mr. Gore also enthusiastically joined in with a statement that the Antarctic ice caps would melt by 2013. That they factually didn’t isn’t the point; he managed to convince tens of millions to believe they would.

Belief or fact? "The world is going to end in 12 years if we don't address climate change." - Ocasio-Cortez, NYC, 2019.


"It doesn't matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true." – Paul Watson, Founder of Greenpeace.

"We routinely wrote scare stories...Our press reports were more or less true...We were out to whip the public into a frenzy about the environment." - Jim Sibbison, environmental journalist, former public relations official for the Environmental Protection Agency.

The Anointed One Mark 2

Not to be outdone, in 2016 came another bearer of beliefs. The 'Messiah' title had worn thin by now and so this one came with a red cap appointed by Christ.


No abstracts here. This one would build a wall to keep out the millions of illegals who’d already arrived. "Lock her up, definitely maybe and recreate an impossible second industrial revolution and … Fact or belief, you decide.


The west has now largely regressed back to an age of superstition and PC heresy. The point is that if you’re unable to explain except by repetition based on subjective opinion, what you’ve heard is also very unlikely to be factual, but will make perfect sense in an age of beliefs.



Overall, I agree with your premise, however....

The disassociation from fact has grown geometrically in this 21st century.
 
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Overall, I agree with your premise, however....

The disassociation from fact has grown geometrically in this 21st century.
This belief based thought is practically unknown outside the west, but it’s not unique and one of the reasons countries like China and Russia keep the west at arms-length. They’ve already been down that road
 
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This belief based thought is practically unknown outside the west, but it’s not unique and one of the reasons countries like China and Russia keep the west at arms-length. They’ve already been down that road
Please, will you expand that point a bit?
 
Aug 2019
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Please, will you expand that point a bit?
Research cultural Marxism (identity politics), it’s what the west has. Here’s my contribution that I wrote several years ago explaining what cultural Marxism is and how it arose. (No download needed, just scroll down to read).

Cultural Marxism - Social Chaos

and the European Union. From cultural Marxism arises the creeping authoritarianism that we now see, specifically in Europe.

BREXIT European Union

The US is slowly going down the same path.

Police State USA -

People who haven’t lived in authoritarian societies will largely dismiss all this as an exaggeration. Those of us who have and the countries that previously were will know what I mean.
 
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There are two types of thought, using belief and facts. Subjective and objective. You can’t disprove a belief using facts and you can’t prove a fact using beliefs. They’re different thought processes and it would be like trying to solve a math question using English grammar. That’s why there’s nothing more amusing than watching polarized left and right trying to debate. One will say here’s the evidence and the other will say I don’t believe you. That’s why liberals always think they win a debate because no one can prove a belief wrong.

Debaters love Google, but Google largely consists of second hand opinions based on beliefs. From the Flat Earth Society to religion and onto a hologram universe; these beliefs are presented as facts and counter arguments using facts are demanded to disprove the beliefs. As they can neither be proved nor disproved, the beliefs become facts to the believers.

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed — and hence clamorous to be led to safety — by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary - The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false face for the urge to rule it." H.L. Mencken.

In the US the belief system took hold in 2008 when a pretend Messiah arrived to heal America; make the population colour blind and eradicate racism (or was it mistaken for the behaviour of sub-cultures). That it didn’t happen is not surprising as the ideas were abstracts based on beliefs.

The Anointed One

Mr. Gore also enthusiastically joined in with a statement that the Antarctic ice caps would melt by 2013. That they factually didn’t isn’t the point; he managed to convince tens of millions to believe they would.

Belief or fact? "The world is going to end in 12 years if we don't address climate change." - Ocasio-Cortez, NYC, 2019.


"It doesn't matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true." – Paul Watson, Founder of Greenpeace.

"We routinely wrote scare stories...Our press reports were more or less true...We were out to whip the public into a frenzy about the environment." - Jim Sibbison, environmental journalist, former public relations official for the Environmental Protection Agency.

The Anointed One Mark 2

Not to be outdone, in 2016 came another bearer of beliefs. The 'Messiah' title had worn thin by now and so this one came with a red cap appointed by Christ.


No abstracts here. This one would build a wall to keep out the millions of illegals who’d already arrived. "Lock her up, definitely maybe and recreate an impossible second industrial revolution and … Fact or belief, you decide.


The west has now largely regressed back to an age of superstition and PC heresy. The point is that if you’re unable to explain except by repetition based on subjective opinion, what you’ve heard is also very unlikely to be factual, but will make perfect sense in an age of beliefs.



I'm a skeptic and a humanist. I want to believe as many true things and disbelieve as many untrue things as possible. It's why you see me on here over and over again asking people to provide evidence to support their claims. Because if you have a belief and it's not supported by evidence, there's no justification for the belief.
 
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The problem is that we live in an age where opinions turn into internalized beliefs and assume the status of facts. That hasn’t worked out very well in the 20th century. Much of it stems from low information and produces the beliefs that man can change the climate, or politicians are appointed by God to create utopias. It’s a form of escapism, which blocks out painful reality and creates an alternative world.

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Thankfully, belief based reality has a relatively short shelf-life, but it does mess up the minds of successive generations and often throughout the 20th century has had disastrous consequences on societies.
 

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