Finally the NYT gets around to the truth

Jun 2018
5,995
1,381
South Dakota
#1
Finally the NYT gets around to the truth

The salacious and uncorroborated “dossier” compiled by ex-British Intelligence officer Christopher Steele was used by the media to justify its endless attacks on President Donald Trump and accuse him of treason.
The dossier was never anything more than opposition research paid for by Fusion GPS – and not even good opposition research at that. Steele reported rumors and gossip, including some Internet comments, to bolster his report.

What wasn’t corroborated was downright debunked by Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report, including the allegations that former Trump attorney Michael Cohen went to Prague to meet with Russians.

Now, after two years of using the dossier to perpetuate the “collusion” narrative, the New York Times has finally acknowledged what those of us not parroting the collusion delusion have known for years – the dossier was garbage
 
Likes: justoneman
Oct 2010
67,982
27,834
Colorado
#2
The people who support Trump who lies like no other president ever, who defend his every lie, sure get bent out when others lie.

Guilty consciences.... ;)
 
Likes: Clara007
Nov 2018
4,394
2,340
Inner Space
#3
Finally the NYT gets around to the truth

The salacious and uncorroborated “dossier” compiled by ex-British Intelligence officer Christopher Steele was used by the media to justify its endless attacks on President Donald Trump and accuse him of treason.
The dossier was never anything more than opposition research paid for by Fusion GPS – and not even good opposition research at that. Steele reported rumors and gossip, including some Internet comments, to bolster his report.

What wasn’t corroborated was downright debunked by Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report, including the allegations that former Trump attorney Michael Cohen went to Prague to meet with Russians.

Now, after two years of using the dossier to perpetuate the “collusion” narrative, the New York Times has finally acknowledged what those of us not parroting the collusion delusion have known for years – the dossier was garbage
The dossier has always been suspect, was recognized as opposition propaganda and was not the sole basis for the FISA court warrants. However, conservatives like to be outraged by the Steele dossier because that outrage distracts from the real issue.
 
Likes: Clara007
Dec 2015
17,319
16,301
Arizona
#4
The dossier has always been suspect, was recognized as opposition propaganda and was not the sole basis for the FISA court warrants. However, conservatives like to be outraged by the Steele dossier because that outrage distracts from the real issue.
The dossier propelled the Mueller investigation forward. It may not have been entirely accurate but it ALWAYS warranted investigation. Trump has said that McCain handing off the doc to the FBI was "evil" but McCain didn't pass it on until after the 2016 election. As usual, Trump and his supporters see things via tunnel vision and that means that it was just fine for Junior to meet with Russians for dirt on Hillary but the dossier was not okay for the DNC. This ridiculous argument has been kicked to death.
The dossier confirmed FACTS. When it was published by BuzzFeed Trump and at least five other senior administration officials denied in emphatic and hyperbolic terms that anyone involved in the campaign was in contact with Russians. We now know since those denials were issued, news reports and court filings revealed that at least 16 Trump associates had contacts with Russians during the campaign or transition. If that is ALL that came out of the dossier---it was worth it.

The Steele Dossier exposed patterns and lies that continued for at least two years. The dossier also noted efforts from the Russian government to exploit political divisions within the US and the Democratic Party. Since the 2016 election, social media companies have pulled thousands of accounts tied to Russia. Throughout the campaign, Trump said he had "nothing to do with Russia." Now we know that TOO was a lie.

BuzzFeed was RIGHT to publish it. AND in December of 2018 won a defamation suit filed by a Russian (there's that word again) technology exec mentioned in the dossier. AND what did BuzzFeed do to save their bacon?
In her decision, the judge noted that the BuzzFeed article on the dossier included the disclaimer that it included “specific, unverified, and potentially unverifiable allegations.”
 
Jun 2018
5,995
1,381
South Dakota
#5
The dossier has always been suspect, was recognized as opposition propaganda and was not the sole basis for the FISA court warrants. However, conservatives like to be outraged by the Steele dossier because that outrage distracts from the real issue.
Where did you come up with this?
Tossing the dossier on the evidence pile is just that, piling on. Showing a "preponderance of evidence" aka large volume of "evidence" is common. Those who wanted to express outrage were the agents who took anything they could grasp at and sent it slithering across a Judges desk in support of their FISA request. I'm betting that there's a judge or two that issued the warrants wishing they could have one of the famous "do overs" the Dems seem to live in. The anonymity of the FISA judges is important but when they begin to appear as acting like a star chamber they need oversight. We don't need to know who the judges are just that they were used by liberal partisan agents to secure warrants to illegally surveil, actually spy on, the President and his campaign. Then we look for the links between the agents and the Hillary campaign and the aid given by the Obama admininstration. If you think Barr is in the bag for the president wait till we pull the mask off Obamas DOJ. That's gonna make JFKs AG look like his political enemy by comparison.
 
Dec 2018
1,762
1,034
Unionville Indiana
#6
The confirmation of the following was worth every nickel:

... the Justice Department’s redacted version of the special counsel’s report concluded Moscow interfered in the 2016 presidential election “in sweeping and systematic fashion.” He [Mueller] identified numerous links between the Kremlin and the Trump campaign, establishing that “the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts.”
 
Likes: Clara007
Nov 2018
4,394
2,340
Inner Space
#7
Where did you come up with this?
Tossing the dossier on the evidence pile is just that, piling on. Showing a "preponderance of evidence" aka large volume of "evidence" is common. Those who wanted to express outrage were the agents who took anything they could grasp at and sent it slithering across a Judges desk in support of their FISA request. I'm betting that there's a judge or two that issued the warrants wishing they could have one of the famous "do overs" the Dems seem to live in. The anonymity of the FISA judges is important but when they begin to appear as acting like a star chamber they need oversight. We don't need to know who the judges are just that they were used by liberal partisan agents to secure warrants to illegally surveil, actually spy on, the President and his campaign. Then we look for the links between the agents and the Hillary campaign and the aid given by the Obama admininstration. If you think Barr is in the bag for the president wait till we pull the mask off Obamas DOJ. That's gonna make JFKs AG look like his political enemy by comparison.
Steele Dossier was ALWAYS considered politically influenced evidence and was not, in itself, to be definitive or probative. The Steele Dossier only has significance as something for Republicans to fixate upon. The FISA courts are intended to provide oversight of intelligence activities and provide balance between investigation of secret or confidential government issues and preservation of freedom and the rule of law. The FISA court was fully aware that Steele was a biased source. The role of the FISA court judge is to look at the ENTIRE body of evidence presented. The Steele dossier was not the ONLY basis for warrants.

What to Make of the Carter Page FISA Applications

"That memo quoted from parts of the FISA applications, including a footnote in which the FBI explained that Steele was hired to “conduct research regarding Candidate #1,” Donald Trump, and Trump’s “ties to Russia,” and that the man who hired him was “likely looking for information that could be used to discredit [Trump’s] campaign.”
 
Likes: Clara007
Jun 2018
5,995
1,381
South Dakota
#8
That article shows bias in and of itself. I realize that the dossier wasn't the only piece of evidence used to justify the warrant. That it states so clearly, according to the author of this article, that it is biased should be enough to question very carefully the veracity of the other evidence submitted. That there was a percieved need to present highly biased material as support for the rest of the package appears to be an attempt to bulk up the request. His comments that he knows the judges invoved aren't biased etc is more evidence to call the warrants justifying process suspect.
It's interesting to note that the Trump campaign was being given a colonoscopy seemingly, now, by a highly biased and determined group in the FBI to "get Trump" while virtually at the same time Hillary was given what amounts to a pass by the FBI at it's highest level.
 
Jun 2018
5,995
1,381
South Dakota
#9
The FISA courts are intended to provide oversight of intelligence activities and provide balance between investigation of secret or confidential government issues and preservation of freedom and the rule of law.
I don't think that's a description of the FISA courts function. Do you think the court actually engages in oversight? If that's true they should have shut down the whole operation after they saw that Steele was "let go" by the FBI as an informant for dealing false information and backtracked over the validity of the warrants they had already issued. We have no idea if any of this has happened or if it was reviewed. IMO all the court actually gets involved with is the issuance of the warrants based on info provided by the FBI. Personally, I think the court and the FBI are so familiar with each other and have understandably built a trust level that causes a rather ambivalent attitude toward the veracity of the evidence present when seeking warrants.
 
Nov 2018
4,394
2,340
Inner Space
#10
[QUOTE="Biff, post: 1332244, member: 8482"What to Make of the Carter Page FISA Applications
That article shows bias in and of itself. I realize that the dossier wasn't the only piece of evidence used to justify the warrant. That it states so clearly, according to the author of this article, that it is biased should be enough to question very carefully the veracity of the other evidence submitted. That there was a percieved need to present highly biased material as support for the rest of the package appears to be an attempt to bulk up the request. His comments that he knows the judges invoved aren't biased etc is more evidence to call the warrants justifying process suspect.
It's interesting to note that the Trump campaign was being given a colonoscopy seemingly, now, by a highly biased and determined group in the FBI to "get Trump" while virtually at the same time Hillary was given what amounts to a pass by the FBI at it's highest level.
Take a deep breath and put a temporary lid on your hyper-partisan thinking.
The FISA court is a special entity that is intended to deal with activities by intelligence agencies. They do not function, so far as i know, like all other federal or district courts. They are intended to provide judicial oversight and review so that intelligence agencies are held to some standard of law.
They can consider all sorts of evidence with varying degrees of reliability. The FISA court judge must make a determination about the value of the evidence. Apparently the Steele dossier was treated as, and known to be, unreliable in the entire body of argument presented by the FBI for warrant application.
 

Similar Discussions