Former US defense official: We know UFOs are real - here's why that's concerning

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FK, you attempt to limit other civilizations to the physical laws we've discovered. That's not reasonable. Our science-based technologies are around 300 years old. Think of the technological advances of the last 20 years. Think of your 1999 cell phone, if you had one. Think of what you can hold in your hand now.

Any guesses as to what the next 20 years will bring, or the next 300? 3,000? 3,000,000?

Interstellar travel with our current technologies is simply impossible. It's looking like interplanetary travel is much harder than first thought. Even so, what are vast distances to us may not be vast to other species. Traveling the speed of light may be attainable. You can make no credible comments on the nature of interstellar craft, nor its cost.

You can make no credible comments about the communicative abilities of ETs. nor how time would work for them. We don't have a clear idea of how common earth-like planets may be, however, we have only begun to look, and the Milky Way is estimated to have 100-400 billion stars.

You have absolutely no basis to say that all UFO sightings are of inventions made on this planet.
Animals have to eat. Space aliens are animals so they would have to have food. The speed of light sounds fast but it still takes years and decades to go anywhere and if you don't know where you are going you could be in deep shit regardless of what kind of space alien you are. I doubt if they could survive on our planet without special equipment and I'm sure that they wouldn't come for a vacation. Is there any evidence that they are doing mining or eating us? Of course they could be robots but what is their purpose?

All advances societies have economic systems. Worlds capable of space travel would need very sophisticated economic systems in order to fund their programs. That means that their space programs need to generate an economic return and their probes will have to bring back the goods in order to justify the cost. Are we missing any of our stuff? If not, there are no space aliens on the planet.
 
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‘Wow, What Is That?’ Navy Pilots Report Unexplained Flying Objects Here you can watch the actual video recorded by US Navy pilots off the Coast of Florida.

You literally cannot deny this.
Of course this can be questioned. Seriously, have you not noticed that every single one of these videos over the years presents us a grainy, dark, quick moving blob of an image? Over the years these military-grade tracking systems have had no problems showing clear images of Russian MiGs, but when it comes to "UFOs" suddenly the imagery looks like my feeble attempts at nighttime photography.

This is nonsense.
 
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Animals have to eat. Space aliens are animals so they would have to have food. The speed of light sounds fast but it still takes years and decades to go anywhere and if you don't know where you are going you could be in deep shit regardless of what kind of space alien you are. I doubt if they could survive on our planet without special equipment and I'm sure that they wouldn't come for a vacation. Is there any evidence that they are doing mining or eating us? Of course they could be robots but what is their purpose?

All advances societies have economic systems. Worlds capable of space travel would need very sophisticated economic systems in order to fund their programs. That means that their space programs need to generate an economic return and their probes will have to bring back the goods in order to justify the cost. Are we missing any of our stuff? If not, there are no space aliens on the planet.
At the speed of light, time stops. As bizarre as it sounds, the need for food when time stops vanishes. Food problem solved.

But other than that, you've made a number of assumptions:

• Space travelers couldn't carry enough food

• Space travelers can't know where they are going

• Space travelers couldn't survive on our planet

• They wouldn't come here for a vacation

• They wouldn't come here to mine or eat us

• Their space programs would need to generate a profit

• The couldn't be generating a profit because we aren't missing any of our stuff

You've built a case on what we know and how we operate, and that's simply invalid given that ET beings may have civilizations thousands or millions of years older than ours.

You desperately want to believe ETs are not visiting earth, and you will create and accept baseless arguments to support your position. My guess is: The idea of beings far advanced visiting earth greatly unsettles you.

We cannot make any assumptions about ETs capable of interstellar travel. Period.
 
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At the speed of light, time stops. As bizarre as it sounds, the need for food when time stops vanishes. Food problem solved.

But other than that, you've made a number of assumptions:

• Space travelers couldn't carry enough food

• Space travelers can't know where they are going

• Space travelers couldn't survive on our planet

• They wouldn't come here for a vacation

• They wouldn't come here to mine or eat us

• Their space programs would need to generate a profit

• The couldn't be generating a profit because we aren't missing any of our stuff

You've built a case on what we know and how we operate, and that's simply invalid given that ET beings may have civilizations thousands or millions of years older than ours.

You desperately want to believe ETs are not visiting earth, and you will create and accept baseless arguments to support your position. My guess is: The idea of beings far advanced visiting earth greatly unsettles you.

We cannot make any assumptions about ETs capable of interstellar travel. Period.
Based on life forms on Earth, the only ones that have had life cycles for tens of millions of years have been cockroaches and horseshoe crabs. Neither one of them has developed space travel.

There is no proof that time stops at the speed of light. Besides, if it did, life forms would cease to function as well as all other chemical and biological actions.

It is easy to get brainwashed by watching sci-fy movies where humans zoom around space and meet all kinds of intelligent space aliens, many of which are the same size and basic appearance as themselves. Heck, they even speak and think like humans and wear similar clothes. Remember, humans have only had this appearance for about 20,000 years.

If space aliens were about our physical size they would be from a planet the same size and mass as Earth. Those are not that common in our neighborhood.
 
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Based on life forms on Earth, the only ones that have had life cycles for tens of millions of years have been cockroaches and horseshoe crabs. Neither one of them has developed space travel.

There is no proof that time stops at the speed of light. Besides, if it did, life forms would cease to function as well as all other chemical and biological actions.

It is easy to get brainwashed by watching sci-fy movies where humans zoom around space and meet all kinds of intelligent space aliens, many of which are the same size and basic appearance as themselves. Heck, they even speak and think like humans and wear similar clothes. Remember, humans have only had this appearance for about 20,000 years.

If space aliens were about our physical size they would be from a planet the same size and mass as Earth. Those are not that common in our neighborhood.
Your physics knowledge is lacking. Brush up on relativity, and on the experiments that have demonstrated how time slows dramatically as mass approaches the speed of light, and no reason whatsoever exists to assume lifeforms would cease to function near, or if it were possible at the speed of light.

I'm not brainwashed, no reason exists to assume ETs wouldn't look like us, and you continue to extrapolate what we currently understand as though it's all we need to know to determine whether ETs are visiting earth.

That's a serious mistake. Our two jewels of science, quantum theory and relativity, cannot be reconciled with each other. We have a serious hole in our understanding of physics. A strange relationship exists between the mind and quantum physics, the "observer effect."

Simply put FK, of course you are free to believe what you want to believe, however, the opinions you've expressed are not rooted in science.
 
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Your physics knowledge is lacking. Brush up on relativity, and on the experiments that have demonstrated how time slows dramatically as mass approaches the speed of light, and no reason whatsoever exists to assume lifeforms would cease to function near, or if it were possible at the speed of light.

I'm not brainwashed, no reason exists to assume ETs wouldn't look like us, and you continue to extrapolate what we currently understand as though it's all we need to know to determine whether ETs are visiting earth.

That's a serious mistake. Our two jewels of science, quantum theory and relativity, cannot be reconciled with each other. We have a serious hole in our understanding of physics.A strange relationship exists between the mind and quantum physics, the "observer effect."

Simply put FK, of course you are free to believe what you want to believe, however, the opinions you've expressed are not rooted in science.
Can it be that you are overlooking a primary fact? That fact is that chemical, biological, and atomic reactions take time. It takes time for an electron to move. Consequently, if time stops at the speed of light it means that no electrons are moving in the unit that is traveling. And if no electrons are moving that means that there are no chemical, atomic, or biological reactions taking place because everything is completely inert. Therefore, there is nothing happening to propel the object at the speed of light. So, if you are traveling at the speed of light time continues, even if it is altered in the unit that is moving. And we know that movement takes time.
 

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Can it be that you are overlooking a primary fact? That fact is that chemical, biological, and atomic reactions take time. It takes time for an electron to move. Consequently, if time stops at the speed of light it means that no electrons are moving in the unit that is traveling. And if no electrons are moving that means that there are no chemical, atomic, or biological reactions taking place because everything is completely inert. Therefore, there is nothing happening to propel the object at the speed of light. So, if you are traveling at the speed of light time continues, even if it is altered in the unit that is moving. And we know that movement takes time.
Read the science. Time stops at the speed of light. Relativity is counter-intuitive, yet the dilation of time is an established fact.
 
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Then You Should Also Know
The Mass And Weight Increases With Speed
Along With The Amount Of Power Needed To Propel You
It All Increases Exponentially As You Go Faster
There Isn't Enough Energy In The Universe
To Propel Anything Solid To The Speed Of Light
And There's No Evidence Anything Solid Does

I Could Say A Couple Other Things

But I Will Say
There Is No Evidence Of Any Kind
That UFO's Occur Farther Out Than Near Earth Orbit
Not Even From Buzz Aldrin