Georgia still hasn’t managed to rename Runaway Negro Creek

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Then you are ignorant of the way Americans thought about loyalty to State. When Robert E. Lee was offered the command of the Union Army, he reply was that his first loyalty was to his country (meaning Virginia). Many if not most people didn't see the US as one nation, but as an alliance of independent and sovereign States. The US Army had to change it's officers' oath in 1862 to reflect that, changing the Unites States - a plurality, to The United States of America - a singular entity. Even the US Army did not considered them to have broken their oaths, but recognized that the oath had to be reworded.




You really ought to read up on Confederate Generals before blowing cheese. Civil War is clearly beyond your depth, so I will give you just a few examples from the most well known Confederate Generals:

Robert E. Lee and his wife freed their slaves. Lee's father-in-law owned large number of slaves, but when Lee became the executor of his father-in-law's estate upon his death, he manumitted all of them. Lee and his wife were members of the American Colonization Society, a group that helped to free slaves and offered help to emigrate them back to Africa if that was what they wanted.

Stonewall Jackson did not own slaves and was a hero of the African American community in Lexington because when he was an instructor at VMI, he broke Virginia law every Sunday by teaching Blacks to read and write.

George Pickett (of the infamous Pickett's Charge at Gettysburg) was vehemently anti-slavery and moved to Illinois to get away from it all. But when Virginia "called", he went home to serve her.

BTW, John S. McCain III hails from a family that has the distinction of having at least one member that fought in every war since the French Indian War. He was the first to end an unbroken line of Generals and Admirals. The McCain's started out in Virginia and then moved to Mississippi. Guess who they fought for during the ACW.

Calling people traitors is easy if you did not live in their times and walked in their shoes. Remember this, George Washington and all that fought alongside him were and still are seen as traitors from a UK perspective, yet we call them our founders.
The Confederate States did not have to rejoin the Union. They could have stayed separate and formed a new country.
 
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Then you are ignorant of the way Americans thought about loyalty to State. When Robert E. Lee was offered the command of the Union Army, he reply was that his first loyalty was to his country (meaning Virginia). Many if not most people didn't see the US as one nation, but as an alliance of independent and sovereign States. The US Army had to change it's officers' oath in 1862 to reflect that, changing the Unites States - a plurality, to The United States of America - a singular entity. Even the US Army did not considered them to have broken their oaths, but recognized that the oath had to be reworded.




You really ought to read up on Confederate Generals before blowing cheese. Civil War is clearly beyond your depth, so I will give you just a few examples from the most well known Confederate Generals:

Robert E. Lee and his wife freed their slaves. Lee's father-in-law owned large number of slaves, but when Lee became the executor of his father-in-law's estate upon his death, he manumitted all of them. Lee andRobert E. Lee had a black bt his wife were members of the American Colonization Society, a group that helped to free slaves and offered help to emigrate them back to Africa if that was what they wanted.

Stonewall Jackson did not own slaves and was a hero of the African American community in Lexington because when he was an instructor at VMI, he broke Virginia law every Sunday by teaching Blacks to read and write.

George Pickett (of the infamous Pickett's Charge at Gettysburg) was vehemently anti-slavery and moved to Illinois to get away from it all. But when Virginia "called", he went home to serve her.

BTW, John S. McCain III hails from a family that has the distinction of having at least one member that fought in every war since the French Indian War. He was the first to end an unbroken line of Generals and Admirals. The McCain's started out in Virginia and then moved to Mississippi. Guess who they fought for during the ACW.

Calling people traitors is easy if you did not live in their times and walked in their shoes. Remember this, George Washington and all that fought alongside him were and still are seen as traitors from a UK perspective, yet we call them our founders.
Robert E. Lee had a black brother that he provided for. = https://flic.kr/p/8oz7pP from Flickr.com 1920s Black History Viewd Through Magazines
 

imaginethat

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They were not obligated to join the Union after the war. They did that voluntarily but they could have remained independent, either separately or as a group.
Staying out of the Union would have been disadvantageous for the rebel states, on balance, and anyway, what would have been the fate of a state that decided against rejoining the Union? They had been conquered, militarily defeated, the war had ended, and the South lost, but nevermind that. What if: "Hey Union, we've decided not to rejoin the y'all, all of us."

Seems impossible to me.
 
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#68
Staying out of the Union would have been disadvantageous for the rebel states, on balance, and anyway, what would have been the fate of a state that decided against rejoining the Union? They had been conquered, militarily defeated, the war had ended, and the South lost, but nevermind that. What if: "Hey Union, we've decided not to rejoin the y'all, all of us."

Seems impossible to me.

West Virginia split from Virginia during the Civil War. Harper's Ferry is in West Virginia and my Mom's last name is Harper. John Brown's bones are sill smoldering in the grave.
 
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Lee was a notorious "family breaker" who was quite unflinching in the use of the whip. Slavery was very profitable for him, hence his betrayal of the USA. Lee not only betrayed the USA he gave tacit approval to the rise of the KKK and terror campaigns among the freed blacks.
 

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