Going Dutch — Managed-Competition Health Insurance in the Netherlands

Nov 2012
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Danny Williams, the premier of the Canadian province of Newfoundland, traveled to the United States earlier this month to undergo heart valve surgery at Mount Sinai Medical Center in Miami. With his trip, Williams joined a long list of Canadians who have decided that they prefer American medicine to their own country's government-run health system when their lives are on the line. it was the premeir of a poor province not the pm
So we at seeing those that WRITE THE LAWS don't follow their own laws.

Laws are made for the little people in Canada.. (Didn't the Democrats exempt themselves and their Staff from being forced to purchase Obamacare approved plans CONVIENENT
 
Sep 2018
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if that is true why did Canadian Citizens have to sue the Government to have the right to purchase US STYLE private healthcare insurance to get ACCESS to the CANADIAN healthcare system


Top court strikes down Quebec private health-care ban | CBC News
5 Myths About Canadian Health Care
Myth #1: Canadians are flocking to the United States to get medical care.
How many times have you heard that Canadians, frustrated by long wait times and rationing where they live, come to the United States for medical care?
I don’t deny that some well-off people might come to the United States for medical care. If I needed a heart or lung transplant, there’s no place I’d rather have it done. But for the vast, vast majority of people, that’s not happening.
The most comprehensive study I’ve seen on this topic — it employed three different methodologies, all with solid rationales behind them — was published in the peer-reviewed journal Health Affairs.
Source: “Phantoms in the Snow: Canadians’ Use of Health Care Services in the United States,” Health Affairs, May 2002.
The authors of the study started by surveying 136 ambulatory care facilities near the U.S.-Canada border in Michigan, New York and Washington. It makes sense that Canadians crossing the border for care would favor places close by, right? It turns out, however, that about 80 percent of such facilities saw, on average, fewer than one Canadian per month; about 40 percent had seen none in the preceding year.
Then, the researchers looked at how many Canadians were discharged over a five-year period from acute-care hospitals in the same three states. They found that more than 80 percent of these hospital visits were for emergency or urgent care (that is, tourists who had to go to the emergency room). Only about 20 percent of the visits were for elective procedures or care.
Next, the authors of the study surveyed America’s 20 “best” hospitals — as identified by U.S. News & World Report — on the assumption that if Canadians were going to travel for health care, they would be more likely to go to the best-known and highest-quality facilities. Only one of the 11 hospitals that responded saw more than 60 Canadians in a year. And, again, that included both emergencies and elective care.
Finally, the study’s authors examined data from the 18,000 Canadians who participated in the National Population Health Survey. In the previous year, 90 of those 18,000 Canadians had received care in the United States; only 20 of them, however, reported going to the United States expressively for the purpose of obtaining care.
 
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if that is true why did Canadian Citizens have to sue the Government to have the right to purchase US STYLE private healthcare insurance to get ACCESS to the CANADIAN healthcare system


Top court strikes down Quebec private health-care ban | CBC News
On the issue of long wait times and physician availability

I think its critical for people to know that when Canadians are seriously sick — when the issue is urgent — they don't wait. So this myth that people are sort of dying in the streets, waiting for care is just that — a myth. Part of the reason that we know that is because our health outcomes are good. When compared to the U.S., outcomes for a whole variety of different diagnoses — including life expectancy, including infant mortality — all of these things actually, the Canadian system delivers as good or better care on average across the population than we see in the U.S.

But you are absolutely right, when people have a non-urgent issue in Canada, sometimes they wait. Sometimes they wait, in my opinion, too long. That's something we're really grappling with here is trying to figure out how we're going to deal with that. A Canadian Doctor Explains How Her Country's Single-Payer Health Care System Works again thats fabricated a lie the right wing fabricates every single thng you say is a lie its made up
 
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I work at a 250 bed Medical Center... we see ~6-800 Canadians a year that come to the US for procedures that were denied or delayed by CNHS. They come to Nashville and they stay during their recovery They nd their families Tour the Music City, Lynchburg, TN take the Bourbon Trail just a few miles north in KY.
 
Nov 2012
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You still haven't address why the Canadian Citizens had to sue their Government for the right to by US Style private health insurance.

(this insurance was not always purchased so they could come to the US, but instead purchased for coverage for denied care can be received or delayed care by the CNHS to prevent the delay) (CNHS = Canadian National Healthcare Service)
 
Sep 2018
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You still haven't address why the Canadian Citizens had to sue their Government for the right to by US Style private health insurance.

(this insurance was not always purchased so they could come to the US, but instead purchased for coverage for denied care can be received or delayed care by the CNHS to prevent the delay) (CNHS = Canadian National Healthcare Service)
they dont again made up
 
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I work at a 250 bed Medical Center... we see ~6-800 Canadians a year that come to the US for procedures that were denied or delayed by CNHS. They come to Nashville and they stay during their recovery They nd their families Tour the Music City, Lynchburg, TN take the Bourbon Trail just a few miles north in KY.
no you dont
 
Sep 2018
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I work at a 250 bed Medical Center... we see ~6-800 Canadians a year that come to the US for procedures that were denied or delayed by CNHS. They come to Nashville and they stay during their recovery They nd their families Tour the Music City, Lynchburg, TN take the Bourbon Trail just a few miles north in KY.
that is, tourists who had to go to the emergency room).
 
Nov 2012
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that is, tourists who had to go to the emergency room).
no Removal of Ovaries due to cancer, Gallbladders before they develop gangrene, mastectomies before the cancer spreads to the lymphatic system, Stints in the arteries of the hearts before they become totally blocked and have a widowmaker blockage of the blood supply to the heart.

(all but one of those are SAME DAY care procedures) you have them then you are discharged and have 48, 72 and 96 hour followups on an outpatient status.)

the only multiple day admission would be the mastectomy
 
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No our system was based on free market you wanted insurance you got it you could not afford it you had Medicaid.

which had a average rate of inflation of 3%

What Obamacare did was force unneeded coverage on people, caused an explosion in healthcare coverage cost, exploded with increases of 10% vs the previous 3% increases, and massive increased in deductibles.

Typical Obamacare exchange policy 7500/year premiums, 6500 deductible.
Our system was never based on a free market, it was the product of a command economy, where the government controlled wages and prices.
 

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