Gov. Cuomo’s New No-Bail Law Freed 61 Gang Members on Long Island

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This story, given the recent, brutal history of gangs on Long Island, seems utterly impossible to believe. But since New York has become a one-party state, increasingly influenced by soft-on-crime Democrats, it is sadly, tragically, true.

Here it is. Since implementing Gov. Cuomo’s increasingly controversial law mandating no-bail for 400 offenses previously requiring bond, a total of roughly 600 inmates have been released from jail cells throughout Long Island.

Of the 300 or so turned loose in Nassau County, 20 were known gang members. Here’s a list of the larger, notorious gangs to which 14 had sworn allegiance.

  • Bloods 8
  • Crips 3
  • MS-13 1
  • Latin Kings 2

Of the 301 returned to the streets in Suffolk County, 41 were known “bangers”. Thirty-four are members of these well known, deadly criminal crews.



  • Bloods 22
  • Crips 4
  • MS-13 6
  • Latin Kings 2

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wait so they got held on "no bail" and were released and they're already killing people? link?

and if you do the math 6% of those released in Nassau are gang members, and about 13% in Suffolk, which leaves the vast majority non-gang affiliated

and it's very interesting they didn't include any white gangs in those numbers, are members of white gangs not dangerous?
 
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What were they in for?
Because that makes a difference, if the guy is being held for non-payment of child support, that's a no bail thing.
Non Payment of parking fines, no bail.
Shoplifting, no bail.
Any violent offense, requires bail.
 
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Liberalism is a mental disease. And it kills too.


This story, given the recent, brutal history of gangs on Long Island, seems utterly impossible to believe. But since New York has become a one-party state, increasingly influenced by soft-on-crime Democrats, it is sadly, tragically, true.
Here it is. Since implementing Gov. Cuomo’s increasingly controversial law mandating no-bail for 400 offenses previously requiring bond, a total of roughly 600 inmates have been released from jail cells throughout Long Island.
Of the 300 or so turned loose in Nassau County, 20 were known gang members. Here’s a list of the larger, notorious gangs to which 14 had sworn allegiance.
    • Bloods 8
    • Crips 3
    • MS-13 1
    • Latin Kings 2


Of the 301 returned to the streets in Suffolk County, 41 were known “bangers”. Thirty-four are members of these well known, deadly criminal crews.
    • Bloods 22
    • Crips 4
    • MS-13 6
    • Latin Kings 2


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Conservatism is a mental disease, and it kills too:

 

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Liberalism is a mental disease. And it kills too.


This story, given the recent, brutal history of gangs on Long Island, seems utterly impossible to believe. But since New York has become a one-party state, increasingly influenced by soft-on-crime Democrats, it is sadly, tragically, true.
Here it is. Since implementing Gov. Cuomo’s increasingly controversial law mandating no-bail for 400 offenses previously requiring bond, a total of roughly 600 inmates have been released from jail cells throughout Long Island.
Of the 300 or so turned loose in Nassau County, 20 were known gang members. Here’s a list of the larger, notorious gangs to which 14 had sworn allegiance.

    • Bloods 8
    • Crips 3
    • MS-13 1
    • Latin Kings 2


Of the 301 returned to the streets in Suffolk County, 41 were known “bangers”. Thirty-four are members of these well known, deadly criminal crews.

    • Bloods 22
    • Crips 4
    • MS-13 6
    • Latin Kings 2

For the record, I oppose "bail reform," which is the issue here. The idea is some people in jail lack the resources to get out and support their families, which is true, but the downsides are some folks who should be in jail for a number of reasons aren't in jail.

Here's a little more from the sheriff without the bread and butter, we-told-you-so-stupid-liberals fearmongering typical of the right.

Bail Reform: Suffolk County Sheriff Says Law Is Preventing Some Inmates From Receiving Needed Help
There has been an unintended consequence as New York State no longer allows bail in most non-violent and misdemeanor crimes.​
Jails are emptier as defendants are set free while awaiting trial, but one sheriff says some of those arrested are not getting much-needed help.​
You don’t expect rave reviews of jail, but then you wouldn’t expect therapy either behind bars.​
They’ve been charged with grand larceny, burglary and assault, but they’re also often victims of abuse, addiction, sex trafficking and mental illness. Where would they be if not in jail?​
“Dead,” one inmate said.​
“I would still be out there, so it’s like a blessing in disguise,” another inmate said.​
Sometimes jail is the best treatment, says Suffolk County Sheriff Errol Toulon. It’s not just punishment; it’s detox, substance abuse counseling and job training.​
Toulon says bail reform is blocking therapeutic programs from reaching those most likely to change. Eighty percent of offenders at the Suffolk County Jail have addiction issues or mental illness.​
“Individuals in that category are missing out on potential services that could assist them. If they’re not in jail, they’re not going to seek those types of resources while they’re out in our community. What they’re going to do is possibly re-offend,” Toulon said.​
It’s an unintended downside to a well-meaning law. Albany, he says, didn’t consider that jail can make communities the inmates return to safer.​
“They’ll tell us that jail has saved their lives. It’s their chance to come clean, withdraw from the drugs, get the mental health and medical services they need,” said Sgt. Erin Meunkle, a Suffolk County corrections officer.​
Before bail reform, the Suffolk County Jail housed 1,000 inmates. Since November, that number has dropped by 300 with some tiers completely empty.​

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For the record, I oppose "bail reform," which is the issue here. The idea is some people in jail lack the resources to get out and support their families, which is true, but the downsides are some folks who should be in jail for a number of reasons aren't in jail.

Here's a little more from the sheriff without the bread and butter, we-told-you-so-stupid-liberals fearmongering typical of the right.

Bail Reform: Suffolk County Sheriff Says Law Is Preventing Some Inmates From Receiving Needed Help
There has been an unintended consequence as New York State no longer allows bail in most non-violent and misdemeanor crimes.​
Jails are emptier as defendants are set free while awaiting trial, but one sheriff says some of those arrested are not getting much-needed help.​
You don’t expect rave reviews of jail, but then you wouldn’t expect therapy either behind bars.​
They’ve been charged with grand larceny, burglary and assault, but they’re also often victims of abuse, addiction, sex trafficking and mental illness. Where would they be if not in jail?​
“Dead,” one inmate said.​
“I would still be out there, so it’s like a blessing in disguise,” another inmate said.​
Sometimes jail is the best treatment, says Suffolk County Sheriff Errol Toulon. It’s not just punishment; it’s detox, substance abuse counseling and job training.​
Toulon says bail reform is blocking therapeutic programs from reaching those most likely to change. Eighty percent of offenders at the Suffolk County Jail have addiction issues or mental illness.​
“Individuals in that category are missing out on potential services that could assist them. If they’re not in jail, they’re not going to seek those types of resources while they’re out in our community. What they’re going to do is possibly re-offend,” Toulon said.​
It’s an unintended downside to a well-meaning law. Albany, he says, didn’t consider that jail can make communities the inmates return to safer.​
“They’ll tell us that jail has saved their lives. It’s their chance to come clean, withdraw from the drugs, get the mental health and medical services they need,” said Sgt. Erin Meunkle, a Suffolk County corrections officer.​
Before bail reform, the Suffolk County Jail housed 1,000 inmates. Since November, that number has dropped by 300 with some tiers completely empty.​

More: Bail Reform: Suffolk County Sheriff Says Law Is Preventing Some Inmates From Receiving Needed Help
I would love to see a study showing the relative numbers of those helped by being incarcerated vs those hurt by incarceration.
 

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I would love to see a study showing the relative numbers of those helped by being incarcerated vs those hurt by incarceration.
I can’t quote you stats but I have seen it, people who benefit from being in jail. It’s not uncommon.

But the issue here is “bail reform “ which is liberal bleeding heartism run amok. Where it’s been tried yes indeed felons have been set free by posting 10 percent of the bail .... and then disappearing, with no bondsman to track them down.

The public is put at risk by this policy.
 
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The law is frightening in its scope.


The list of crimes where suspects will be freed from prison before trial includes:

  • Second-degree manslaughter
  • Aggravated vehicular assault
  • Third-degree assault
  • Promoting an obscene sexual performance by a child
  • Possessing an obscene sexual performance by a child
  • Promoting a sexual performance by a child
  • Failure to register as a sex offender
  • Making terroristic threats
  • Criminally negligent homicide
  • Aggravated vehicular homicide

In one recent case, a suspect in Warren County, New York, was charged with second-degree manslaughter after he allegedly killed a bystander while leading police on a high-speed chase. Though the suspect is currently behind bars awaiting trial, he will be released in January when the new bail laws go into effect.

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can we get a credible piece up in here? I can't really believe a "bluelivesmatter" facebook post or whatever, and am having trouble finding the list of crimes that are now 'no bail" from a credible source.

I see that bail was eliminated for all non-violent crimes, which I agree with. And those who have been sitting in jail for years over some weed or something need to be released.
 
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Just insane.

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Seamans has been convicted of robbing banks in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and New York. In 2005, for example, Seamans was sentenced to four years in prison for bank robberies he committed in Pennsylvania and New Jersey.

In 2011, Seamans was sentenced to about five years in prison for a bank robbery he committed in 2010 in New York. In December 2017, Seamans was released from prison.

The state’s bail reform laws ensure that suspects accused of crimes deemed “non-violent” are not jailed before their trial dates and do not have to post bail. Instead, these suspects are released directly back into the public and are expected to show up for their court dates. About 125,000 accused criminals are expected to be released from prison every year in the state.

Likewise, accused criminals will actually be allowed to investigate their own crime scenes and be given a list of named witnesses testifying against them within 15 days of their arrangement. The law means that if a suspect is charged with home burglary, that suspect will be allowed to return to the victim’s home and inspect their property as part of their defense.