Green New Deal is a disaster-in-waiting

Jun 2013
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Katmandu
#21
What a stupid idea, to work toward sustainable industry, sustainable energy production, sustainable agriculture, a sustainable economy and ultimately a sustainable nation. Stupid, stupid idea, 'cause Jimmyb said so.

Poll: Majorities of both parties support Green New Deal

More than 80 percent of registered voters support the Green New Deal proposal being pushed by progressional Democratic lawmakers, a new poll found.

The survey conducted by the Yale Program on Climate Communication and the George Mason University Center for Climate Change Communication found that 92 percent of Democrats and 64 percent of Republicans back the Green New Deal plan.

The organizations behind the poll explained poll-takers avoided mentioning to respondents which representatives were backing the New Green Deal to prevent injecting bias.

...The poll surveyed 966 registered voters and has a margin of error of +/- 3 percentage points.

More: Poll: Majorities of both parties support Green New Deal

"The survey conducted by the Yale Program on Climate Communication and the George Mason University Center for Climate Change Communication found that 92 percent of Democrats and 64 percent of Republicans back the Green New Deal plan."

hehe, yep objective poll........
 
Dec 2013
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Beware of watermelons
#27
The "survey" consisted of just a brief paragraph about the Green New Deal then the survey asked "How much do you support or oppose this idea?" This happened between November 28th and December 11th, well before all of the details were available.
"I think that there's a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right."
 
Feb 2007
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USA
#28
That is BS, the authors simply put an imaginary cost of carbon abatement on conventional fuels to make them artificially expensive and green technologies look feasible.

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Nonsense.

In fact, the so-called "cost of carbon abatement" isn't utilized as a factor in the LCOE calculations that were done in that Lazard study, the methodology of which is shown on .pdf slide #14 (or on page #13) of the report of said study.

:rolleyes:
 
Nov 2012
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Lebanon, TN
#29
One of my biggest disappointments with Obama was that he didn't push for massive investment in green, sustainable, and renewable technologies. China has 1.3 Billion people. Their emerging middle class has more people than we have in our whole country. China has already passed us in car sales and with in a decade or so will likely pass us in total economy size. India is already number 6 in economic size, and is developmentally only a few years behind China with almost a billion people. Resources ARE going to get scarce and we will need to get many of the from China. We WILL be fighting wars over those resources. It's moronically short sighted that we haven't launched a moon shot worthy campaign of investment in renewable and sustainable energy and everything else. All I can say is I probably won't be around to see this country die a slow painful death due to the extreme shortsightedness of our leaders.
Obama did invest in Green energy they failed.

Obama administration began using solar panels. instead of buying them from companies that he gave stimulus monies he purchased solar panels from the Chinese.
These purchases occurred after he gave billions in Green Energy stimulus monies..

Feds ignore rules and use stimulus cash to buy Chinese solar panels
 
Nov 2012
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nirvana
#30
The denizens of the liberal/socialist loony bin, AKA congressional Democrats, are all flocking to adore the new normal for their party. Keep it up loons, the Reps will take the refugees from tyranny.
WALSH: The 5 Most Hilarious And Insane Things In Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's 'Green New Deal' Proposal

"the reps will take the refugees from tyranny"?

For the fourth year in a row, new US electricity capacity from renewable energy sources surpassed those from natural gas, and accounted for half of all new capacity additions, according to recent figures published by the country’s Federal Energy Regulatory Commission.w electricity capacity from renewable energy sources — including biomass, geothermal, hydropower, solar, and wind — accounted for 49.85% of all new capacity installed during 2017, which totaled 24,614 MW (megawatts), meaning that there was 12,270 MW worth of new renewable energy capacity. New natural gas capacity accounted for 48.67%, with the remaining new capacity being served by waste heat (0.89%), nuclear (0.41%), and oil ( 0.16%). There was no new coal capacity added during 2017.

These are the key statistics from Federal Energy Regulatory Commission’s (FERC) latest issue of its “Energy Infrastructure Update” (PDF) which includes data through to the end of 2017. Ken Bossong’s Sun Day Campaign highlighted these statistics in an email on Wednesday.

While renewable energy capacity was down on 2016’s impressive 16,124 MW, it nevertheless retained its position as the dominant new form of energy, outpacing natural gas for the fourth year in a row.
“Notwithstanding a year-long effort by the Trump Administration and its congressional allies to prop up coal, nuclear, and natural gas at the expense of renewable energy sources, clean energy technologies have proven themselves to be amazingly resilient,” noted Ken Bossong, Executive Director of the SUN DAY Campaign. “The unmistakable lesson to be drawn from the past five or more years of FERC data is that solar, wind, and the other renewable energy sources are carving out a large and rapidly-expanding share of the nation’s electrical generation.”

Technology-specific statistics were similarly impressive. By the end of last year, utility-scale solar had reached 30.30 GW (gigawatts) — approximately eight times greater than what FERC had reported five years ago. Solar now makes up 2.55% of the total US utility-scale generating capacity — an inherently underrated figure, considering FERC does not include distributed solar in its statistics.

Over the past five years, renewable energy generating capacity has increased across the board in the United States. On top of solar’s 7.77% increase, wind energy grew by 53.88%, biomass by 11.20%, geothermal by 3.51%, and hydropower by 2.79%. In fact, the generating capacity of all non-hydro renewable energy sources is 73.89% greater than it was five years ago, and renewables together account for 20.21% of the United States’ installed generating capacity. Five years ago this figure stood at only 15.40%. Unsurprisingly, given its popularity and economic viability, wind energy stands out from the pack for the moment, accounting for 7.45% of total US generating capacity.

On the other side of the energy generating street, natural gas has only increased its share of generating capacity by 5.14% over the past five years, and oil by only 5.35%. Most importantly, however, is the state of coal, which over the past five years has seen its share of total generating capacity decline by 17.83%.

Federal Energy Regulatory Commission

https://www.ferc.gov/legal/staff-reports/2017/dec-energy-infrastructure.pdf
 

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