H.R. 582, “Raise the wage act”

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Industry is getting ahead of the clamor for increased minimum wages in anticipation of being able to stay in business when the socialist mobs demand more money.
Demanding a COLA only serves to reinforce moves to reduce the number of workers.
Corporate America was already doing that in order to give more to the CEO, and the shareholders. Wages have not kept up witrh inflation for the past 30 years. And in spite of your fear mongering socialism is not the problem.
 
Dec 2018
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"Are meant to?" Whatever could that mean? Scientists, economists, journalists, judges and everyone else in the world is a product of their experiences, political or otherwise. Unless I'm a robot it is impossible to separate my personal experiences---my educational influences---my relationships---my knowledge base from my political leanings. The human failings of genius---Intuition CAN and DOES overrule flawed proofs and shaky math. Just ask Einstein.

Here's what I think--yes yes--more unsolicited advice. )-:
I think YOUR politics sway you. I think you are mired in years of conventional wisdom and I would suggest you try looking at things from different angles. How about some 'outside the box' pondering?
I also think theses type of generally accepted theories and beliefs NEED TO BE QUESTIONED but are NEVER questioned by the GOP and ultimately---that will be their undoing.
p.s. Glad you don't give Hannity credence.
Couple of things. First, there is a fundamental difference between, say, a journalist who makes an honest effort to report the facts but, unintentionally, lets bias creep in vs. a journalist who knowingly and purposefully distorts the facts in order to create a narrative sympathetic to "the cause." (whatever that cause may be) I hope you see a meaningful difference there.

Second, none of us is completely objective, but I would say I'm more objective than most who comment here. I have no problem criticizing Trump when he deserves it nor any problem giving him praised when earned. How many other posters commenting here can say that?
 
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Couple of things. First, there is a fundamental difference between, say, a journalist who makes an honest effort to report the facts but, unintentionally, lets bias creep in vs. a journalist who knowingly and purposefully distorts the facts in order to create a narrative sympathetic to "the cause." (whatever that cause may be) I hope you see a meaningful difference there.

Second, none of us is completely objective, but I would say I'm more objective than most who comment here. I have no problem criticizing Trump when he deserves it nor any problem giving him praised when earned. How many other posters commenting here can say that?
I do understand the "meaningful" difference. Let me try this another way.
We live in flux. Our world and everything in it is variable--day to day--week to week and year to year. Ever-changing.
Never constant...and YET, there are people (often very intelligent) who are convinced that no matter how things change THEY SHOULD remain the same: old rules, laws, theories, employment, norms, attitudes, behaviors AND economics.

Do you see where I'm going with this?
 
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I do understand the "meaningful" difference. Let me try this another way.
We live in flux. Our world and everything in it is variable--day to day--week to week and year to year. Ever-changing.
Never constant...and YET, there are people (often very intelligent) who are convinced that no matter how things change THEY SHOULD remain the same: old rules, laws, theories, employment, norms, attitudes, behaviors AND economics.

Do you see where I'm going with this?
Yes, and it sounds a bit like a straw-man. Resistance to a proposed change need not come from a desire to maintain the status quo. It may result from the opinion that the proposed change is a bad idea and/or that there are other changes which will do more good.

e.g., I'm hard-pressed to think of a conservative politician of any standing that isn't advocating for change in our immigration law, tax law, or regulatory environment. Our political debates today is much more about what kind of change we need, not whether to change.
 
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Yes, and it sounds a bit like a straw-man. Resistance to a proposed change need not come from a desire to maintain the status quo. It may result from the opinion that the proposed change is a bad idea and/or that there are other changes which will do more good.

e.g., I'm hard-pressed to think of a conservative politician of any standing that isn't advocating for change in our immigration law, tax law, or regulatory environment. Our political debates today is much more about what kind of change we need, not whether to change.

Most of the changes desired by conservative are desired by them because it will help to keep the status quo in control, enrich them and/or increase or maintain their political power.

TAX LAWS...to reduce the taxes on the wealthy & corporations.
IMMIGRATION... to decrease the numbers of people who are percieved to be likely to challenge the power of the elite wealthy politically.
REGULATION...only in order to decrease or eliminate the cost to corporations of implimenting them with no regard for such things as the environment, worker/consumer rights, etc. etc.
 
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Yes, and it sounds a bit like a straw-man. Resistance to a proposed change need not come from a desire to maintain the status quo. It may result from the opinion that the proposed change is a bad idea and/or that there are other changes which will do more good.

e.g., I'm hard-pressed to think of a conservative politician of any standing that isn't advocating for change in our immigration law, tax law, or regulatory environment. Our political debates today is much more about what kind of change we need, not whether to change.
Well of course. Why didn't I see the whole "strawman" response coming? My bad. So you think that I am intentionally misrepresenting a REAL argument because what I presented has no substance??
Got it.
AND your "come back" is that Conservatives DO WANT change, cuz....well....duh...just look at the legislation they really really really WANT but somehow just NEVER got around to when they controlled the entire federal government, most of the state governorships and legislatures, the Supreme Court AND the White House.
What change does the GOP want? Immigration--SEND the brown people back. That'll fix their wagons.
Tax Law--Trump already took care of the corporations.
Regulatory--Coal Coal and MORE COAL--just no time for coal MINERS with black lung disease.
AND HOW does any of that change our current situation?
 
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GluteusMaximus, CEO salary increases may or may not be symptoms of an improved economy; minimum wage rate's increased purchasing power actually improves an economy. ...
HR528's method of retaining the minimum rate's purchasing power is annually adjusted to USA's median jobs' rate increase. That may or may not be as much as the Consumer Price Index increase, but it's simpler for voters to understand. Respectfully Supposn
H.R. 582, “Raise the wage act” is a good bill, but opponents of the bill will refrain from mentioning the minimum hourly rate will not be $15 until 7th year after the bill's passage.

In the likely case that it's not passed through and added to our federal statutes, I urge U.S. Congressional members to continue striving and pass a bill that would increase the minimum wage rate by 12.5% of its purchasing power until it attains 125% of its February-1968 purchasing power. Thereafter the rate should be monitored and annually adjusted to retain that purchasing power. ...