Has politics replaced religion?

Mar 2013
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I never “insisted” that you do anything. We were simply having a discussion. I like to hope that the way that I conduct myself convinces ppl. You aren’t going to win ppl over through arguments.

That statement wasn't aimed at you personally. You're the exception rather than the rule. However there are millions of people who call themselves Christian and who firmly believe they have every right to insist in having a say about how I and everyone else should be living our lives. Hence my tag line about my civil rights. It's not all that long ago white were quoting the bible to justify their racism and hatred.
 
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Nov 2012
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I agree with the spirit of post #1. I would only quibble on phrasing which is unimportant in the broader scheme of things.
In reading post #1, the following articles came to mind:
Under Trump, America's religious right is rewriting its code of ethics
Has Trump caused white Evangelicals to change their tune on morality?
Many Evangelicals have rewritten their moral code in order to ignore (or accept) Donald Trump's immoral behavior.

I would add on that I think "capitalism" has also become like a religion and that could easily be recognized as a byproduct of "politics replacing religion".
The reaction I see from many people to actions they proclaim as "socialism" or "communist" often ignore the question of "How should this individual issue be handled?" and instead devolve into a mindset of "Is it socialist? If yes, then it's bad!" without any attempt to actually think about the item in question.
Moreover, there also too often comes a potentially self-serving blindness that is coupled with that which demonstrates in hypocrisy on some issues which also aligns with a political agenda. For example, public schooling can be said to be "socialist" in nature. However, many people who throw out that assessment and proclaim it needs to end (solely because it is "socialist") will also proclaim that it should be replaced by another socialist system => school vouchers for parents. While they see it as wrong to take tax payer money to pay for schooling for all (where all taxpayers have at least some input into the public school handling), they see it as okay to take taxpayer money and provide it for parents to choose a school devoid of taxpayer feedback.
Donald Trump's behavior is, in my opinion, irrelevant to his functioning as POTUS, just as John F. Kennedy's sexual escapades were irrelevant to his performance as POTUS! Your Trump hatred is obvious.:rolleyes:
 
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Apr 2013
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#94
Donald Trump's behavior is, in my opinion, irrelevant to his functioning as POTUS, just as John F. Kennedy's sexual escapades were irrelevant to his performance as POTUS! Your Trump hatred is obvious.:rolleyes:
False equivalency. JFK didn't flaunt his actions and didn't play posterboy for the fundie menace. So that comparison does not work.
 
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Do you think the universe is disordered?
Can we truly understand the extremes, the largest and smallest aspects of the universe, like quarks and infinity?

We live on a narrow slice of the Universe and can make sense of that, but outside our experience it is all largely unknown (quantum mechanics, multiple dimensions, dark energy, dark matter, black holes, infinity, big bang all aside) and probably fundamentally incomprehensible. Most of it is ambiguous, and perhaps even permanently unknowable so, in that regard, it will be mysterious and without order that can be fully understood by humans in the form that we exist.
 
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#96
Good points.

He knows our hearts, our nature. Yea, he gave us free will, but we still have to CHOOSE to give our lives to Him. His will is better than ours.

I can choose to follow Him and live according to his plan and purpose. Or I can choose to live a sinful lifestyle, which would be a waste.

Either way, I’m destined to die. Do I give my life to the Lord, do his will, and go to Heaven? Or do I waste my life living a meaningless and sinful lifestyle, just to spend eternity in Hell. Those are the two choices he gives us. He wants us to give our lives to Him.
The same way a mobster running a protection racket wants you to give your money to him.

In the Christian religion God is running a protection racket. “Awfully nice soul you have there. It’d be a shame if anything were to happen to it.”

The only differences are that the store owner KNOWS he has a store (no one knows if you have a soul) and the protection racket thug only wants a percentage of your money (God wants you turn over your whole life)
 
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The same way a mobster running a protection racket wants you to give your money to him.

In the Christian religion God is running a protection racket. “Awfully nice soul you have there. It’d be a shame if anything were to happen to it.”

The only differences are that the store owner KNOWS he has a store (no one knows if you have a soul) and the protection racket thug only wants a percentage of your money (God wants you turn over your whole life)
Not to mention that there is no way of proving that you do get some eternal reward at the end. That is the ultimate aspect of the faith.

I know that firmly believing that would tend to give one warm fuzzies, but where's the beef?
 
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The same way a mobster running a protection racket wants you to give your money to him.

In the Christian religion God is running a protection racket. “Awfully nice soul you have there. It’d be a shame if anything were to happen to it.”

The only differences are that the store owner KNOWS he has a store (no one knows if you have a soul) and the protection racket thug only wants a percentage of your money (God wants you turn over your whole life)
Giving my life to him is worth it. Before I met Christ, my life was meaningless. This post makes sense though, and I agree with the point you’re trying to make. The church has fallen into the trap of preaching a Gospel of fear (the fire and brimstone gospel as I call it). God didn’t give us a spirit of fear. The church should be preaching a gospel of salvation. Christ freed me from the shackles of sin, hatred, and bitterness.

Heaven and Hell are important, but following Christ is simply a better way to live. It’s the path to a meaningful, peaceful, and fulfilled life.
 
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I think that consciously or unconsciously the doctrine of eternal hell is part of what drives many people to call BS on "christianity," a big part of it. The doctrine of eternal hell makes "god" a monster worse than Hitler or Satan even: a "sinner" spends conscious life in pain, torment, and suffering for eternity in a place created by god and maintained by god .??... for eternity? And this is the handiwork of a god who reportedly is a loving father, who is love????

Few christians or atheists know that for the first five centuries following the death of Christ, the doctrine of eternal hell was a minority opinion. Of all the Christian schools of the time, only the Western (Catholic) Church taught this doctrine. The Western Church, using the power of Rome, systematically purged those who rejected this doctrine so that now, most people don't question it, and many Christians believe it's blasphemy to question it.

Clearly, the doctrine of eternal hell had a political value, one that Rome and later the "christian" nations utilized to control the people.

This is a very good read for those whso like to get to the bottom of things.

How & When The Idea of Eternal Torment Invaded Church Doctrine
 
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Can we truly understand the extremes, the largest and smallest aspects of the universe, like quarks and infinity?

We live on a narrow slice of the Universe and can make sense of that, but outside our experience it is all largely unknown (quantum mechanics, multiple dimensions, dark energy, dark matter, black holes, infinity, big bang all aside) and probably fundamentally incomprehensible. Most of it is ambiguous, and perhaps even permanently unknowable so, in that regard, it will be mysterious and without order that can be fully understood by humans in the form that we exist.
That's all correct, mystery abounds, but I fail to see how mysteries make the case for a disordered universe.
 

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