Has politics replaced religion?

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What criteria are you using for failure?

I have never seen a situation where worshipping a god has achieved a better result than other methods.

And I have never seen gravity not be true.
What does gravity have to do w/ anything?
 
Nov 2012
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Gravity has no effect on the speed of light. That is the cornerstone of the Theory of Relativity.

If the speed of light is not effected by gravity then explain why light is bent when it approaches a black hole?

and totally stops once it enters the event horizon of the black hole.

Large mass objects (example Sun) bends light from other stars... so if the light curves it means that the light is being slowing as it nears the body of high mass. Gravity
 
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Let's try and look at the whole definition shall we




religion
[ri-lij-uh n]
EXAMPLES|WORD ORIGIN|IDIOMS
SEE MORE SYNONYMS FOR religion ON THESAURUS.COM
noun
a set of beliefs concerning the cause,nature, and purpose of the universe,especially when considered as the creationof a superhuman agency or agencies,usually involving devotional and ritualobservances, and often containing a moralcode governing the conduct of humanaffairs.

a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices:a world council of religions.

the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.:to enter religion.
the practice of religious beliefs; ritualobservance of faith.

something one believes in and followsdevotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:

the definition of religion

huh. Kinda changes things when you dobt cherry pick doesn't it?

Religion of Atheism

First Church of Atheism | Minister's Site

There are almost 6,000 ordained Atheist ministers

Ministers | First Church of Atheism

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Jul 2008
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If the speed of light is not effected by gravity then explain why light is bent when it approaches a black hole?

and totally stops once it enters the event horizon of the black hole.

Large mass objects (example Sun) bends light from other stars... so if the light curves it means that the light is being slowing as it nears the body of high mass. Gravity
No, no and NO
The direction of travel has nothing to do with the speed of travel. The speed of light in a vacuum is ALWAYS the same. That FACT is the cornerstone of the Theory of Relativity.

Light does not “stop” when it enters the event horizon of a black hole, it just never exits. The path the light takes is curved to the point that it cannot exit the event horizon.
 
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Knowledge orders chaos into understandable patterns. The universe must have dark corners that are beyond our reach and must have unique properties that we cannot understand due to the infinite size of the universe. If the universe was truly finite, we might eventually be able to understand it all but it is probably not even possible for humans to understand even the size of the universe. There will be chaos that we cannot understand and so, from our point of view there is inherent disorder (chaos) in the universe. God may be limited by the speed of light.
I still think you're putting the cart before the horse.

Whether humans comprehend the order of the universe has no bearing on whether it is ordered or disordered. The mysteries of the universe have thus far been unraveled through using the order of the universe, applying our best understandings of natural laws to our best, highest resolution observations. So yes, knowledge orders chaos into understandable patterns .... for us, but, our lack of knowledge is just that: a lack of knowledge.

No compelling reason exists to believe that the phenomena within the universe or the universe itself is disordered. "Chaos" is most likely just a way to say we've reached the resolution limit of our ability to observe, and thus have reached the limit of our ability to mathematically model our observations.

Also, that nagging concept of infinity....

Beyond the Hubble Volume (the observable universe).
We know with some certainty that there's "more universe" out there beyond that boundary, though. Astronomers think space might be infinite, with "stuff" (energy, galaxies, etc.) distributed pretty much the same as it is in the observable universe. If it is, that has some seriously weird implications for what lies out there. Beyond the Hubble Volume you won't just find more, different planets. You will eventually find every possible thing. Read that again and let it sink in. Everything. If you go far enough, you'll find another solar system with an Earth identical in every way except that you had cereal for breakfast this morning instead of eggs. And another where you skipped breakfast. And one where you got up early and robbed a bank. In fact, cosmologists think that if you go far enough, you will find another Hubble Volume that is perfectly identical to ours. There's another version of you out there mirroring your every action 10 to the 10^188 meters away. That may seem unlikely, but then, infinity is awfully infinite.
More weirdness:

Infinite Bubbles.
Talking about things outside the Hubble Volume might be a bit of a cheat, since it's still really the same universe, just a part of it we can't see. It would have all the same physical laws and constants. In another version of the story, the post-Big Bang expansion of the universe caused "bubbles" to form in the structure of space. Each bubble is an area that stopped stretching along with the rest of space and formed its own universe, with its own laws. In this scenario, space is infinite, and each bubble is also infinite (because you can store an infinite number of infinities inside a single infinity). Even if you could somehow breach the boundary of our bubble, the space in between the bubbles is still expanding, so you'd never get to the next bubble no matter how fast you went.
https://io9.gizmodo.com/five-weird-theories-of-what-lies-outside-the-universe-5799335

My favorite "mind trip": Where is the universe, or universes? I know the standard answer which is the universe is all there is so the question is nonsensical. But is it in light of the two possible concepts above, and others such as the parallel universes theory, string theory?

Just keep thinking about it. :)

Another one: What is the nothing in which separates planets, stars and galaxies, the "vacuum of space?"
 
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I would say that "order" and "disorder" are only constructs that help us think about the universe.
So, if we do not understand something sufficiently to see it as ordered, then it must be disordered (from our point of view). Since there is no other sentient being in the universe that we are aware of (or perhaps capable of knowing due to distances), I have to view the universe from the point of view of a human and that leaves it fundamentally disordered, fundamentally not understandable. This is rather esoteric and dense, but I consider "order" to be a thin layer floating on a vast sea of "disorder"-- since we do not know what we do not know, and the universe is infinite, then there must be much more disorder (lack of knowledge to cause it to be ordered) than comfortable understanding (order). My too sense...
 
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Let's use The Force instead of God.

The Force is available to all. Whether a person can avail her/himself of The Force is up to the individual.

Contact Luke for additional details :)


That's butchered Buddhism. Buddhism doesn't have a god per se, and places the responsibility for a well being back on the person. Karma has no indulgencies or forgiveness by an almighty. Which is not good as a tool for building a strong state

:)
 
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I still think you're putting the cart before the horse.

Whether humans comprehend the order of the universe has no bearing on whether it is ordered or disordered. The mysteries of the universe have thus far been unraveled through using the order of the universe, applying our best understandings of natural laws to our best, highest resolution observations. So yes, knowledge orders chaos into understandable patterns .... for us, but, our lack of knowledge is just that: a lack of knowledge.

No compelling reason exists to believe that the phenomena within the universe or the universe itself is disordered. "Chaos" is most likely just a way to say we've reached the resolution limit of our ability to observe, and thus have reached the limit of our ability to mathematically model our observations.

Also, that nagging concept of infinity....



More weirdness:



https://io9.gizmodo.com/five-weird-theories-of-what-lies-outside-the-universe-5799335

My favorite "mind trip": Where is the universe, or universes? I know the standard answer which is the universe is all there is so the question is nonsensical. But is it in light of the two possible concepts above, and others such as the parallel universes theory, string theory?

Just keep thinking about it. :)

Another one: What is the nothing in which separates planets, stars and galaxies, the "vacuum of space?"

People come up with all kinds of weird stuff when faced with the prospect of having to admit their incompetence and instead of invoking the God as the source of weirdness, they create an image where everything is possible.
 
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Let's try and look at the whole definition shall we
It would help if you actually looked at what you present, cause critical thinking would recognize your error before you even post it.


religion
[ri-lij-uh n]
EXAMPLES|WORD ORIGIN|IDIOMS
SEE MORE SYNONYMS FOR religion ON THESAURUS.COM
noun
a set of beliefs concerning the cause,nature, and purpose of the universe,especially when considered as the creationof a superhuman agency or agencies,usually involving devotional and ritualobservances, and often containing a moralcode governing the conduct of humanaffairs.

a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices:a world council of religions.

the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.:to enter religion.
the practice of religious beliefs; ritualobservance of faith.

something one believes in and followsdevotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience:

the definition of religion

huh. Kinda changes things when you dobt cherry pick doesn't it?
No. It doesn't.
See that portion I put in larger red font?
"...and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects "
Atheism doesn't have that.

Next time Sabcat, try reading for comprehension instead of cherrypicking half of what you post as you ignore other portions which you should pay attention to...
 
Nov 2005
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Donald Trump's behavior is, in my opinion, irrelevant to his functioning as POTUS, just as John F. Kennedy's sexual escapades were irrelevant to his performance as POTUS!
They are very relevant.
Diplomatic relationships are affected by the attitude and insults that Trump readily throws out.

Moverover, it's relevant to this thread.
People who voted for President Kennedy didn't start running around having affairs because Kennedy was having an affair. They didn't follow Kennedy because he was having an affair.
Trump has followers who are mimicking his insulting demeanor and also following him because of his insulting behavior.


Your Trump hatred is obvious.
Try thinking about the issue and the actual topic instead of tossing out this boring and mindless rejoinder.
 
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