Has politics replaced religion?

Nov 2005
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I agree with the spirit of post #1. I would only quibble on phrasing which is unimportant in the broader scheme of things.
In reading post #1, the following articles came to mind:
Under Trump, America's religious right is rewriting its code of ethics
Has Trump caused white Evangelicals to change their tune on morality?
Many Evangelicals have rewritten their moral code in order to ignore (or accept) Donald Trump's immoral behavior.

I would add on that I think "capitalism" has also become like a religion and that could easily be recognized as a byproduct of "politics replacing religion".
The reaction I see from many people to actions they proclaim as "socialism" or "communist" often ignore the question of "How should this individual issue be handled?" and instead devolve into a mindset of "Is it socialist? If yes, then it's bad!" without any attempt to actually think about the item in question.
Moreover, there also too often comes a potentially self-serving blindness that is coupled with that which demonstrates in hypocrisy on some issues which also aligns with a political agenda. For example, public schooling can be said to be "socialist" in nature. However, many people who throw out that assessment and proclaim it needs to end (solely because it is "socialist") will also proclaim that it should be replaced by another socialist system => school vouchers for parents. While they see it as wrong to take tax payer money to pay for schooling for all (where all taxpayers have at least some input into the public school handling), they see it as okay to take taxpayer money and provide it for parents to choose a school devoid of taxpayer feedback.
 
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#12
Don't you think that this is because the message of Christ has been perverted by malicious forces?

It's not just perverted. It's been almost completely tossed out of the churches. And not my some mysterious malicious force. They've done it themselves. They've sold their souls. Trump is a perfect example. Any other time in our history and a man with the adultery, the sexual assaults, not to mention outright fraud and theft would never have made it past the first primary. Yet millions of so called evangelicals voted for him over men with clean histories and long public connections to their churches and religion. Many of today's so called Christians do not live according to the words of Jesus. They have twisted and perverted their entire religion into one of hatred, bigotry and every other negative ism there is. This is why I do not stay in touch with most of my family. I went to a reunion a couple years ago. They were all clutching their bibles and praying to Jesus in one breath and complaining about the fact my mother sold her parents house to a family of "gooks" more than 30 years ago and how my grandparents must be spinning in their graves. I gave on on Christianity decades ago. Just not religious in general. But having grown up in the church I simply cannot fathom how they can in one breath invoke the name of Jesus then in the next breath express pure unadulterated bigotry and racism.
 
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It's not just perverted. It's been almost completely tossed out of the churches. And not my some mysterious malicious force. They've done it themselves. They've sold their souls. Trump is a perfect example. Any other time in our history and a man with the adultery, the sexual assaults, not to mention outright fraud and theft would never have made it past the first primary. Yet millions of so called evangelicals voted for him over men with clean histories and long public connections to their churches and religion. Many of today's so called Christians do not live according to the words of Jesus. They have twisted and perverted their entire religion into one of hatred, bigotry and every other negative ism there is. This is why I do not stay in touch with most of my family. I went to a reunion a couple years ago. They were all clutching their bibles and praying to Jesus in one breath and complaining about the fact my mother sold her parents house to a family of "gooks" more than 30 years ago and how my grandparents must be spinning in their graves. I gave on on Christianity decades ago. Just not religious in general. But having grown up in the church I simply cannot fathom how they can in one breath invoke the name of Jesus then in the next breath express pure unadulterated bigotry and racism.
The Christ of the Bible teaches us not to judge other people, but to "condemn in love" when they sin. To love your neighbor as yourself. The parable of the Good Samaritan is as much an indictment of racism and bigotry today, as it was during the time it was written. It's funny because I was told that story possibly hundreds of times as a child, but once I read it now as a spirit-filled adult, it meant so much more. The world has really been consumed with hatred, and the course we are on scares me.

Many of these religious people are no different from the Pharisees of Jesus' day. They seek to use the power that religion gives them to judge others and control people's actions. They don't care about the Gospel, but only use the Bible to legitimize their hatreds.
 
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I agree with most of your assessment. Except the bolded/color red statements.
I don't think that Christianity has been replaced by cults which preach hatred, or that Evangelism has been replaced with trolling and clout chasing. I find it far more offensive. I believe that the Christianity (and certainly not the only religion, but the prevalent one in the USA) and Evangelism have EMBRACED hatred and trolling and clout chasing. They have embraced it and included it into their doctrines.

The Evangelicals are hateful pricks, indeed. You know how the Evangelicals, who despise every other religious affiliation, even other Christians, routinely say "well if there are so many good Muslims why don't they do something about the bad ones?". I say the same about Christians: if there are so many GOOD ones, why do they let the fake ones make them look so bad?

Legit Christians need to be calling out those hypocrites at every possible opportunity.
 
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The Christ of the Bible teaches us not to judge other people, but to "condemn in love" when they sin. To love your neighbor as yourself. The parable of the Good Samaritan is as much an indictment of racism and bigotry today, as it was during the time it was written. It's funny because I was told that story possibly hundreds of times as a child, but once I read it now as a spirit-filled adult, it meant so much more. The world has really been consumed with hatred, and the course we are on scares me.

Many of these religious people are no different from the Pharisees of Jesus' day. They seek to use the power that religion gives them to judge others and control people's actions. They don't care about the Gospel, but only use the Bible to legitimize their hatreds.

And that's it right there. It's all about the power and the politics. Politics hasn't replaced religion. But in the last couple of decades they certainly have gotten in bed together. IN the quote below pay particular attention to the part where they believe they are doing "God's work" and therefore feel no need to compromise.

 
Jan 2015
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And that's it right there. It's all about the power and the politics. Politics hasn't replaced religion. But in the last couple of decades they certainly have gotten in bed together. IN the quote below pay particular attention to the part where they believe they are doing "God's work" and therefore feel no need to compromise.

I believe that it has replaced religion. Many of these so-called Christians have a very political worldview. Using the name of God to feign a religious doctrine, when their motives are entirely political. The Church has become less relevant in our society because of its desire to control and judge people, when it should be focused on saving people.
 
Nov 2005
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#18
While these are all good points, I must stress that the left is no better in this regard.
I don't agree regarding "no better".
I think there are members of both party who devolve into what you describe in post #1. I will happily agree with that where SJW on both sides have devolved into a lack of respect and appreciation.

However, the left has never pushed an insulting candidate like Trump to the forefront as the right has. The right actually has the sheer numbers within their party to pull that off.
In the last election, they could have nominated (and probably successfully elected) one of the nominees who wasn't acting in a way that embarrasses the country.
In the past, they nominated John McCain who looked one of his voters in the eye and said that Obama was not a secret Muslim.
“No ma’am,” McCain said. “He’s a decent family man, a citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues, and that’s what this campaign is all about.”

But not today. Today the right has elected a politician to the highest office in this land who exactly matches your description of: "negativity and trolling is rewarded with clout and notoriety"

While the left has members who would do likewise (which I think we can agree on), they are NOT the majority on the left like they are on the right today...
 

imaginethat

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Many passages in the Bible speak of this time.

4 “See to it that no one misleads you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many. 6 You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes. 8 But all these things are merelythe beginning of birth pangs.

9 “Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. 10 At that time many will [d]fall away and will [e]betray one another and hate one another. 11 Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many. 12 Because lawlessness is increased, [f]most people’s love will grow cold

13 “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. 14 For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

15 “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many [n]miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’