Here's how Ayn Rand helped turn the US into a selfish and greedy nation

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The 'Atlas Shrugged' author made selfishness heroic and caring about others weakness.

Only rarely in U.S. history do writers transform us to become a more caring or less caring nation. In the 1850s, Harriet Beecher Stowe (1811-1896) was a strong force in making the United States a more humane nation, one that would abolish slavery of African Americans. A century later, Ayn Rand (1905-1982) helped make the United States into one of the most uncaring nations in the industrialized world, a neo-Dickensian society where healthcare is only for those who can afford it, and where young people are coerced into huge student-loan debt that cannot be discharged in bankruptcy.

Rand’s impact has been widespread and deep. At the iceberg’s visible tip is the influence she’s had over major political figures who have shaped American society. In the 1950s, Ayn Rand read aloud drafts of what was later to become Atlas Shrugged to her “Collective,” Rand’s ironic nickname for her inner circle of young individualists, which included Alan Greenspan, who would serve as chairman of the Federal Reserve Board from 1987 to 2006.

Here's how Ayn Rand helped turn the US into a selfish and greedy nation
 
Sep 2018
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We see it right here on DTT, people who have abandoned "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" for "Do others before they do you."

It's a backstep, several backstops actually, with cascading aftershocks. Pride replacing empathy. Greed replacing charity. In summary, hate replacing love.
not very christian, the irony is so many christians emulating and admiring this cold hearted atheist
 
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And the appalling hypocrisy of her. Living on welfare when she became ill. She definitely didn't walk the talk.
 
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And the appalling hypocrisy of her. Living on welfare when she became ill. She definitely didn't walk the talk.
as son as she realized that lung cancer treatment would bankrupt her( she was a vocal denier that smoking caused cancer btw, more irony) she had her lawyer SECRETLY APPLY FOR social security and medicare.. which to be fair isnt welfare its an insurance program everyone who pays in is entitled too.. NEVER THE LESS she repatedly scoffed at social security and medicare programs as tyrancical and paracitic.. till she herself needed them. the women was a total monster.. i know i will get in trouble for this but in my mind it is too bad stalin did not stick her in a gulag.. that would have been a deserved fate.. it wasnt as if communism was all bad.. lots of their victims had it comming
 
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And the appalling hypocrisy of her. Living on welfare when she became ill. She definitely didn't walk the talk.
This is such a silly, desperate attempt at sn argument. The state steals wealth from the people and if we object to this theft we are dubbed "hypocritical" when we find a way to extract some of it back.

Ridiculous
 
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This is such a silly, desperate attempt at sn argument. The state steals wealth from the people and if we object to this theft we are dubbed "hypocritical" when we find a way to extract some of it back.

Ridiculous
it isnt your money the state decides who gets what and that is the biblical judgment you dont decide that god does the state god is a metaphor for the community you dont matter one person isnt important what matters is the whole not the parts

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Submission to Authorities
…5Therefore, it is necessary to submit to authority, not only to avoid punishment, but also as a matter of conscience. 6This is also why you pay taxes. For the authorities are God’s servants,who devote themselves to their work. 7Pay everyone what you owe him: taxes to whom taxes are due, revenue to whom revenue is due, respect to whom respect is due, honor to whom honor is due.…

Romans 13:6
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This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing.​
 
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it isnt your money the state decides who gets what and that is the biblical judgment you dont decide that god does the state god is a metaphor for the community you dont matter one person isnt important what matters is the whole not the parts

Study Bible
Submission to Authorities
…5Therefore, it is necessary to submit to authority, not only to avoid punishment, but also as a matter of conscience. 6This is also why you pay taxes. For the authorities are God’s servants,who devote themselves to their work. 7Pay everyone what you owe him: taxes to whom taxes are due, revenue to whom revenue is due, respect to whom respect is due, honor to whom honor is due.…

Romans 13:6
SUM PIC XRF DEV STU
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing.​

Dissagree.

Not my god



Individualism vs. Collectivism: Our Future, Our Choice

The fundamental political conflict in America today is, as it has been for a century, individualism vs. collectivism. Does the individual’s life belong to him—or does it belong to the group, the community, society, or the state? With government expanding ever more rapidly—seizing and spending more and more of our money on “entitlement” programs and corporate bailouts, and intruding on our businesses and lives in increasingly onerous ways—the need for clarity on this issue has never been greater. Let us begin by defining the terms at hand.

Individualism is the idea that the individual’s life belongs to him and that he has an inalienable right to live it as he sees fit, to act on his own judgment, to keep and use the product of his effort, and to pursue the values of his choosing. It’s the idea that the individual is sovereign, an end in himself, and the fundamental unit of moral concern. This is the ideal that the American Founders set forth and sought to establish when they drafted the Declaration and the Constitution and created a country in which the individual’s rights to life, liberty, property, and the pursuit of happiness were to be recognized and protected.

Collectivism is the idea that the individual’s life belongs not to him but to the group or society of which he is merely a part, that he has no rights, and that he must sacrifice his values and goals for the group’s “greater good.” According to collectivism, the group or society is the basic unit of moral concern, and the individual is of value only insofar as he serves the group. As one advocate of this idea puts it: “Man has no rights except those which society permits him to enjoy. From the day of his birth until the day of his death society allows him to enjoy certain so-called rights and deprives him of others; not . . . because society desires especially to favor or oppress the individual, but because its own preservation, welfare, and happiness are the prime considerations.”1

Individualism or collectivism—which of these ideas is correct? Which has the facts on its side?




Individualism vs. Collectivism: Our Future, Our Choice - The Objective Standard