High School Students Disqualified From Debate After Quoting Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson

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This is so awesome




Layton High School senior Michael Moreno and his debate partner, whom The Daily Wire will not name, were participating in a round with a topic relating to immigration. The specific topic of the round was “Resolved: The United States Federal Government should substantially reduce restrictions on legal immigration.” Moreno and his partner were arguing in the negative, meaning they were arguing against the other team’s plan to reduce restrictions on legal immigration.

Instead of arguing in the affirmative, Moreno told The Daily Wire, the other team read a “slam poem” about how terms like “legal” and “illegal” are dehumanizing. In documents provided to The Daily Wire, these students quoted from numerous professors critical of assimilation and the notion that immigrants must act American to live “the good life.”

“Promises of citizenship and the ‘good life’ force non-normative subjects into a slow death, working towards the unbelievable goal of the American dream," the students said.

Moreno and his partner responded by arguing the other team did not actually articulate a position. The structure of this debate allowed for the affirmative to propose a plan and then have the negative argue against that plan. Since the other team did not propose solutions to reduce restrictions on legal immigration, Moreno said, his team had nothing to argue against and claimed this was unfair.

“We argue that this is bad for debate as it's unfair to us, that we came here as the negative to argue against substantially reducing restrictions on legal immigration, not their slam poem,” Moreno said.

The other team, during the cross-examination section of the debate, said Moreno and his partner could not talk about fairness because they were “white males.” Moreno said he then speed-read through quotes from Shapiro and Peterson pertaining to identity politics. He specifically cited comments Shapiro made at the University of Connecticut on January 24, 2018, where he said: ‘Evil things are still evil even if I’m a white well-off religious man and good things are still good even if I’m a white well-off religious man …. My identity has nothing to do with what is right or wrong.”

Moreno also quoted Peterson saying, “It goes along with this idea of class guilt; Because your group membership is the most important thing, if your group at some point in the past did something reprehensible – which of course every group has done – then you’re de facto responsible for that.”



At this point, Moreno began recording the debate, and posted the video to YouTube with the faces of the other debaters blurred. The judge ended the round after Moreno’s quotes from Shapiro and Peterson, as the other team continued to affirm that they had no standing as “white males.”

High School Students Disqualified From Debate After Quoting Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson


The video is hyperlinked in the article.

Matt Christian does a good analysis on this.



Man, does this ring familiar.
 
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I'm all for free speech, but I think quoting Kermit and Ben Shapiro should be grounds for disqualification on any subject!

Well, that is not only supporting freedom of speech but is completely counter to the spirit of debate and the quotes used directly addressed this



“Evil things are still evil even if I’m a white, well-off, religious man and good things are still good even if I’m a white, well off religious man… my identity has nothing to do with what is right or wrong,” Shapiro said last year in a speechat the University of Connecticut.

High School Debate Team Disqualified for Quoting ‘White Supremacist’ Jordan Peterson - Pluralist

Maybe check out the video of the debate itself if you dont want to listen to the otherone i linked.
 
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Who is Kermit and Ben Shapiro ?
Jordan Peterson! Listen to him speak...you'll get it...but then you'll wonder how dumb rightwing Americans are to take this mediocre Toronto professor seriously. If you tell people what they want to hear, they make you a god and create golden idols to worship you!

Ben Shapiro is just a pissant little drip who demands control over the parameters of the debate and then declares victory.
 
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Jordan Peterson! Listen to him speak...you'll get it...but then you'll wonder how dumb rightwing Americans are to take this mediocre Toronto professor seriously. If you tell people what they want to hear, they make you a god and create golden idols to worship you!

Ben Shapiro is just a pissant little drip who demands control over the parameters of the debate and then declares victory.
I am watching both now... took seconds to figure that they are a pair of wingnut cases

No wonder the school would not allow them to be used as a source.
 
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Well, that is not only supporting freedom of speech but is completely counter to the spirit of debate and the quotes used directly addressed this



“Evil things are still evil even if I’m a white, well-off, religious man and good things are still good even if I’m a white, well off religious man… my identity has nothing to do with what is right or wrong,” Shapiro said last year in a speechat the University of Connecticut.

High School Debate Team Disqualified for Quoting ‘White Supremacist’ Jordan Peterson - Pluralist

Maybe check out the video of the debate itself if you dont want to listen to the otherone i linked.
See! Your quote from that little pissant reveals why the largest 'Christian' university in America also blocked Ben Shapiro! GCU...never heard of it before, but it apparently has a larger student body than Pat Robertson's clown college in Virginia or that equally crazy 'originalist' law school named after terrorist zealot - Patrick Henry, AND they also turned down a request from their branch of the Hitler Youth...also known as the Young America Foundation to pay Ben Shapiro to come there and give a lecture!

Grand Canyon University in Phoenix, Arizona, says it will not provide a venue for conservative pundit and Daily Wire Editor-in-Chief Ben Shapiro to speak on campus, The Daily Wire reported Friday, citing Young America’s Foundation.​
GCU is the largest Christian university in the country, recently surpassing Virginia’s Liberty University.​
Shapiro was invited to the university by the school’s Young America Foundation chapter, but the invitation was reportedly withdrawn by the university.​
According to YAF, school administrators gave three reasons for banning Shapiro from speaking on campus.​
“Allowing Shapiro on GCU’s campus would not be good for the school long-term,” the administration said, according to YAF.​
If it's a public school or a public state university, the conservative right can get up on their soapbox and blather on about LIEBERALS and Political Correctness, BUT what about when it's coming from a Christian Evangelical college?

Ben Shapiro and similar ilk, like the professed Catholic - Matt Walsh have found themselves under scrutiny from catholic and evangelical bloggers and writers who point out that 'a profession of faith does not prove the claimant is acting on that faith!'

I don't know anything else about Grand Canyon University aside from this story of the college administrators turning down their conservative student organization's request to have Ben Shapiro visit and distribute pearls of wisdom like you quoted above, BUT maybe I should give them credit for noticing that America is becoming increasingly vicious and divisive, and they should not assist or support agents like Shapiro who do not act in a way that Jesus did in the New Testament, but instead scorn the downtrodden for the conditions they are in and puff up the ego's of the rich and powerful!
 
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See! Your quote from that little pissant reveals why the largest 'Christian' university in America also blocked Ben Shapiro! GCU...never heard of it before, but it apparently has a larger student body than Pat Robertson's clown college in Virginia or that equally crazy 'originalist' law school named after terrorist zealot - Patrick Henry, AND they also turned down a request from their branch of the Hitler Youth...also known as the Young America Foundation to pay Ben Shapiro to come there and give a lecture!

Grand Canyon University in Phoenix, Arizona, says it will not provide a venue for conservative pundit and Daily Wire Editor-in-Chief Ben Shapiro to speak on campus, The Daily Wire reported Friday, citing Young America’s Foundation.​
GCU is the largest Christian university in the country, recently surpassing Virginia’s Liberty University.​
Shapiro was invited to the university by the school’s Young America Foundation chapter, but the invitation was reportedly withdrawn by the university.​
According to YAF, school administrators gave three reasons for banning Shapiro from speaking on campus.​
“Allowing Shapiro on GCU’s campus would not be good for the school long-term,” the administration said, according to YAF.​
If it's a public school or a public state university, the conservative right can get up on their soapbox and blather on about LIEBERALS and Political Correctness, BUT what about when it's coming from a Christian Evangelical college?

Ben Shapiro and similar ilk, like the professed Catholic - Matt Walsh have found themselves under scrutiny from catholic and evangelical bloggers and writers who point out that 'a profession of faith does not prove the claimant is acting on that faith!'

I don't know anything else about Grand Canyon University aside from this story of the college administrators turning down their conservative student organization's request to have Ben Shapiro visit and distribute pearls of wisdom like you quoted above, BUT maybe I should give them credit for noticing that America is becoming increasingly vicious and divisive, and they should not assist or support agents like Shapiro who do not act in a way that Jesus did in the New Testament, but instead scorn the downtrodden for the conditions they are in and puff up the ego's of the rich and powerful!

I'm not sure what that really has to do w/ anything
 
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