Hillary Clinton 2020

Sep 2015
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#91
The Mayor of Piedras Negra wants the concertina wire taken down on The Fence. Piedra means stone and negra means black. There are a lot of basalt stones in Piedras Negra. The black stones could be obsidian which is a volcanic basalt glass and sharper than surgical steel.
 
Jul 2018
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#92
The Mayor of Piedras Negra wants the concertina wire taken down on The Fence. Piedra means stone and negra means black. There are a lot of basalt stones in Piedras Negra. The black stones could be obsidian which is a volcanic basalt glass and sharper than surgical steel.
And we should comply with his wishes because .......?
 
Dec 2018
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#94
And it is a system that was established when trying to get 13 colonies to agree to unification.
Yes, indeed, RNG.

There was one difficulty however of a serious nature attending an immediate choice by the people. The right of suffrage was much more diffusive [greater] in the Northern than the Southern States; and the latter could have no influence in the election on the score of Negroes. The substitution of electors obviated this difficulty and seemed on the whole to be liable to the fewest objections. -- James Madison (Records of the Federal Convention, p. 57 Farrand's Records, Volume 2, A Century of Lawmaking for a New Nation: U.S. Congressional Documents and Debates, 1774–1875, Library of Congress.)

To wit:

The contrivance in the Constitution for marking the votes works badly, because it does not enounce precisely the true expression of the public will. -- Thomas Jefferson to Tench Coxe on the Electoral College (Dec. 1800).

Founders Online: From Thomas Jefferson to Tench Coxe, [31 December 1800]
 
Dec 2016
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#95
I'm going to make a prediction here and you can like it or lump it: Democrats will NOT *WILLNOT* nominate an old white guy to run for president AND more than likely they won't nominate an old white woman to run for president. Given the choice between “establishment” Democrats and progressive insurgents, many Democratic voters chose the latter in their primaries and that trend will continue.
There will be no Biden. No Sanders. No Clinton. Democrats are moving into a progressive future with candidates who represent the faces of America.
The GOP will ignore America's demographics (as they always do) until they rot.
Orrr, until they "take America back":

 
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Jul 2015
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#96
...

The contrivance in the Constitution for marking the votes works badly, because it does not enounce precisely the true expression of the public will. -- Thomas Jefferson to Tench Coxe on the Electoral College (Dec. 1800).

Founders Online: From Thomas Jefferson to Tench Coxe, [31 December 1800]

What is with this falsely edited quote? It is wrong you to do this. This has absolutely nothing to do with what you are trying to imply it does. Here is the actual full sentence you have bastardized::


"The contrivance in the Constitution for marking the votes works badly, because it does not enounce precisely the true expression of the public will. We do not see what is to be the issue of the present difficulty. The federalists, among whom those of the republican section are not the strongest, propose to prevent an election in Congress, and to transfer the government by an act to the C. J. (Jay) or Secretary of State, or to let it devolve on the Pres pro tem. of the Senate, till next December, which gives them another year's predominance, and the chances of future events. …"
 
May 2018
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#97
Its not a funny system it is a system that compensates lower population states a little so that they are not simply overwhelmed by a few giant cities. It is a great set up and was created with great care and thought.
We vote by state not by totality. Trump won by wide margin.. Not even close. He has a mandate.. That mandate is to secure the border.
He has no mandate.
 
Dec 2018
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#98
What is with this falsely edited quote? It is wrong you to do this. This has absolutely nothing to do with what you are trying to imply it does. Here is the actual full sentence you have bastardized::


"The contrivance in the Constitution for marking the votes works badly, because it does not enounce precisely the true expression of the public will. We do not see what is to be the issue of the present difficulty. The federalists, among whom those of the republican section are not the strongest, propose to prevent an election in Congress, and to transfer the government by an act to the C. J. (Jay) or Secretary of State, or to let it devolve on the Pres pro tem. of the Senate, till next December, which gives them another year's predominance, and the chances of future events. …"
Duh...nothing in this sentence: The contrivance in the Constitution for marking the votes works badly, because it does not enounce precisely the true expression of the public will' has been "falsely edited" or "bastardized" or misquoted in any way, shape or form. Nothing. It's obviously quoted verbatim as you can see. Jefferson was locked in an electoral battle in 1800 for president, but he correctly observes that the electoral system "works badly" because it fails to "enouce precisely ... the public will". Clear enough?

Some historical context for you: In 1800 the duo of Jefferson and Aaron Burr won the election with 73 electoral votes against 65 for the Adams ticket. The trouble was that Jefferson and Burr each received exactly 73 votes, because every Jefferson elector had named both men on his ballot. The election went to the House of Representatives, where Jefferson’s opponents managed to forestall a majority until they finally yielded on the thirty-sixth ballot.

When Jefferson says "We do not see what is to be the issue of the present difficulty", he's referring to the fact that he and Burr were both of the same political party -- the Democratic-Republicans and that they had defeated the Federalist, John Adams, but the election was still going to the House of Representatives for resolution. He's not contradicting his first sentence which you find so hard to accept at face value. If a popular vote had been taken, in 1800, for president, Jefferson would have defeated Adams and Burr with a plurality, if not a majority, of the electorate. The electoral system can work "badly" and imprecisely.
 
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Sep 2015
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Brown Township, Ohio
#99
Duh...nothing in this sentence: The contrivance in the Constitution for marking the votes works badly, because it does not enounce precisely the true expression of the public will' has been "falsely edited" or "bastardized" or misquoted in any way, shape or form. Nothing. It's obviously quoted verbatim as you can see. Jefferson was locked in an electoral battle in 1800 for president, but he correctly observes that the electoral system "works badly" because it fails to "enouce precisely ... the public will". Clear enough?

Some historical context for you: In 1800 the duo of Jefferson and Aaron Burr won the election with 73 electoral votes against 65 for the Adams ticket. The trouble was that Jefferson and Burr each received exactly 73 votes, because every Jefferson elector had named both men on his ballot. The election went to the House of Representatives, where Jefferson’s opponents managed to forestall a majority until they finally yielded on the thirty-sixth ballot.

When Jefferson says "We do not see what is to be the issue of the present difficulty", he's referring to the fact that he and Burr were both of the same political party -- the Democratic-Republicans and that they had defeated the Federalist, John Adams, but the election was still going to the House of Representatives for resolution. He's not contradicting his first sentence which you find so hard to accept at face value. If a popular vote had been taken, in 1800, for president, Jefferson would have defeated Adams and Burr with a plurality, if not a majority, of the electorate. The electoral system can work "badly" and imprecisely.
Interesting but I forgot about the Democratic-Republicans and have read 'The Republic' by Plato before my eyes went bad. Adams and Jefferson remained life long friends, and both died on the 4th of July.
 
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If a popular vote had been taken, in 1800, for president, Jefferson would have defeated Adams and Burr with a plurality, if not a majority, of the electorate. The electoral system can work "badly" and imprecisely.
Make that .. In the popular vote for president in 1800, Jefferson defeated Adams with a majority of 41,330 to 25,952 (61.4% to 38.6%).