Hillary Clinton 2020

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Unless Hillary Clinton "owns" the DNC in a similar way as Donna Brazile described in her post-2016 tell-all book on the Election disaster....that no MSM sources would follow up on.....in brief, since only marginalized indy media followed up on her revelations: the DNC was effectively bankrupt and owed the Clinton Foundation so much money that the Clintons controlled the entire primary process and (add in friends in media giving Hillary the debate questions in advance) winning the nomination was in the bag! Will that be so in 2020? Elizabeth Warren was warned not to run four years ago, but if she and the centrist pack like Old Joe, Kamala the Cop and "I'll tell you whatever you want to hear" Cory Booker are trying to win, then that likely means no Clintons are in the race this time!
 
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Duh...nothing in this sentence: The contrivance in the Constitution for marking the votes works badly, because it does not enounce precisely the true expression of the public will' has been "falsely edited" or "bastardized" or misquoted in any way, shape or form. Nothing. It's obviously quoted verbatim as you can see. Jefferson was locked in an electoral battle in 1800 for president, but he correctly observes that the electoral system "works badly" because it fails to "enouce precisely ... the public will". Clear enough?

Some historical context for you: In 1800 the duo of Jefferson and Aaron Burr won the election with 73 electoral votes against 65 for the Adams ticket. The trouble was that Jefferson and Burr each received exactly 73 votes, because every Jefferson elector had named both men on his ballot. The election went to the House of Representatives, where Jefferson’s opponents managed to forestall a majority until they finally yielded on the thirty-sixth ballot.

When Jefferson says "We do not see what is to be the issue of the present difficulty", he's referring to the fact that he and Burr were both of the same political party -- the Democratic-Republicans and that they had defeated the Federalist, John Adams, but the election was still going to the House of Representatives for resolution. He's not contradicting his first sentence which you find so hard to accept at face value. If a popular vote had been taken, in 1800, for president, Jefferson would have defeated Adams and Burr with a plurality, if not a majority, of the electorate. The electoral system can work "badly" and imprecisely.
Jefferson is not complaining about the electoral system and the balance of states rights. He is complaining about the tricks being played to attempt to steal the election from him in the House of Representatives. All of this coercion resulted in ratifying the 12th amendment.. Jefferson did not think there was supposed to be a tally of all votes from the country in total to elect a president. This is such foolishness. You are attempting to imply his words meant something that they did not by isolating one sentence from the rest of the paragraph.
 
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Jefferson is not complaining about the electoral system and the balance of states rights. He is complaining about the tricks being played to attempt to steal the election from him in the House of Representatives. All of this coercion resulted in ratifying the 12th amendment.. Jefferson did not think there was supposed to be a tally of all votes from the country in total to elect a president. This is such foolishness. You are attempting to imply his words meant something that they did not by isolating one sentence from the rest of the paragraph.
No matter what you hope for, Clinton is not coming back.
 
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Jefferson is not complaining about the electoral system and the balance of states rights. He is complaining about the tricks being played to attempt to steal the election from him in the House of Representatives. All of this coercion resulted in ratifying the 12th amendment.. Jefferson did not think there was supposed to be a tally of all votes from the country in total to elect a president. This is such foolishness. You are attempting to imply his words meant something that they did not by isolating one sentence from the rest of the paragraph.
I know quite well that Jefferson was aware of how the votes were counted in determining the winner. That's the point.

Deny the meaning any way you want to make your President Vendetta look good. But the circumstances of 1800 and Jefferson's words speak for themselves: "The contrivance in the Constitution for marking the votes works badly, because it does not enounce precisely the true expression of the public will."

Popular vote: Jefferson: 41,330. Adams: 25,952. Electoral count: Jefferson 73, Burr 73, Adams 26. Adams 65. Pinckney 64.
 
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I know quite well that Jefferson was aware of how the votes were counted in determining the winner. That's the point.

Deny the meaning any way you want to make your President Vendetta look good. But the circumstances of 1800 and Jefferson's words speak for themselves: "The contrivance in the Constitution for marking the votes works badly, because it does not enounce precisely the true expression of the public will."

Popular vote: Jefferson: 41,330. Adams: 25,952. Electoral count: Jefferson 73, Burr 73, Adams 26. Adams 65. Pinckney 64.
This is not about my opinion or your opinion It is about fact. Jefferson is writing about the 1800 election and the problem that was solved by the ratification of the 12 amendment. You are being disingenuous.
 
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This is not about my opinion or your opinion It is about fact. Jefferson is writing about the 1800 election and the problem that was solved by the ratification of the 12 amendment. You are being disingenuous.
You're denying plain English. When Jefferson wrote: "The contrivance in the Constitution for marking the votes works badly, because it does not enounce precisely the true expression of the public will." ... he wasn't referring to your mamma's rubber girdle.
 
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You're denying plain English. When Jefferson wrote: "The contrivance in the Constitution for marking the votes works badly, because it does not enounce precisely the true expression of the public will." ... he wasn't referring to your mamma's rubber girdle.
Its not about my opinion. It is an obvious fact. Jefferson is writing about the way the electoral college was structured before the 12th amendment.
 
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After the controversy in the 1800 election {because of how the electoral college selected the Vice President} the President Jefferson requested congress amend the constitution which resulted in the 12th amendment. So you see Jefferson had a problem in the election of 1800 and as President he resoled this problem. Jefferson was not advocating having a general vote across the whole country as you guys are trying to imply by cherry picking one sentence out of a paragraph.
 
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After the controversy in the 1800 election {because of how the electoral college selected the Vice President} the President Jefferson requested congress amend the constitution which resulted in the 12th amendment. So you see Jefferson had a problem in the election of 1800 and as President he resoled this problem. Jefferson was not advocating having a general vote across the whole country as you guys are trying to imply by cherry picking one sentence out of a paragraph.
No, he did not author or request the Amendment. In 1801, Gov. John Jay of New York and Assemblyman Jedediah Peck authored and promoted the proposed Amendment, although Jefferson may have later supported it. So you see this red herring of yours doesn't change the obvious fact that Jefferson was referring to the Electoral College, in 1800, when he clearly and concisely made the point that: "The contrivance in the Constitution for marking the votes works badly, because it does not enounce precisely the true expression of the public will."

(See, Kuroda, Tadahisa (1999). The Origins of the Twelfth Amendment: The Electoral College in the Early Republic. Westport, CT: Greenwood Press.)
 
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No, he did not author the Amendment. In 1801, Gov. John Jay of New York and Assemblyman Jedediah Peck authored and promoted the proposed Amendment, although Jefferson may have later supported it. ...
sorry you are wrong. Jefferson was the catalyst for the Amendment change:


Jefferson, Adams and the Twelfth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution

Posted on May 2, 2010 by Advocatus Diaboli


Jefferson gave us the first 10 amendments to the U.S. Constitution plus the 12th.

Upon becoming president in the 1800 election Jefferson asked for the president to be able to pick their own vice president thus the 12th amendment was born, and finally passed in 1804.

The 12th Amendment provided the following remedies:

* separate ballots are used for president and vice president;

* the candidates with the greatest number of votes for each office will be elected if that number constitutes a majority of the total electors;

* if a majority for the president is lacking, the House of Representatives shall vote by state from among the three highest candidates;

* if a majority for the vice president is lacking, the Senate shall vote by state from among the two highest candidates;

* the vice president must meet the same constitutional requirements as provided for the president.