History of Portuguese dictatorship

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Tarrafal camp

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April 25, 1974 Portuguese Revolution
today Portugal is a democratic country that cost a lot of blood to the Portuguese during 48 years of facism.Valeu just to fight the Portuguese can say alive to freedom, but they can not forget the suffering of their family that died in the name of the Freedom that was conquered in 25 April 1974

Portugal still has a lot of history to be divulged, that still many Portuguese do not know and I am one of them.

In portuguese

25 abril 1974 revolução portuguêsa
hoje Portugal é um país democrático que custou muito sangue aos portuguêses durante 48 anos de facismo.Valeu apena lutar hoje os portuguêses podem dizer viva á liberdade,mas não podem esquecer o sofrimento da sua familia que morreram em nome da Liberdade que foi conquistada em 25 abril 1974

Portugal ainda tem muita história para ser divulgada,que ainda muitos portuguêses não conheçe eu sou um deles.
 
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Communism is just plain stupid and never works out well for the people. Portugal did a very silly thing in 1974. I was there too, and slipped out of a bar without paying the bill just before the soldiers starting storming the streets in the morning.
 
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Tarrafal camp

Tarrafal camp - Wikipedia

April 25, 1974 Portuguese Revolution
today Portugal is a democratic country that cost a lot of blood to the Portuguese during 48 years of facism.Valeu just to fight the Portuguese can say alive to freedom, but they can not forget the suffering of their family that died in the name of the Freedom that was conquered in 25 April 1974

Portugal still has a lot of history to be divulged, that still many Portuguese do not know and I am one of them.

In portuguese

25 abril 1974 revolução portuguêsa
hoje Portugal é um país democrático que custou muito sangue aos portuguêses durante 48 anos de facismo.Valeu apena lutar hoje os portuguêses podem dizer viva á liberdade,mas não podem esquecer o sofrimento da sua familia que morreram em nome da Liberdade que foi conquistada em 25 abril 1974

Portugal ainda tem muita história para ser divulgada,que ainda muitos portuguêses não conheçe eu sou um deles.

I think the US has adapted fascism, so I wonder what do you mean by fascism and a fight for freedom?

How could such a fight result in anything good, considering all the countries that have tried to resolve political problems with violence only to have more problems and violence? The making of peace seems an extremely difficult thing to do. How can peaceful resolutions be made?
 
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Today a Portuguese citizen is free to say that Portugal sucks.

If these words were repeated at the time of Portuguese fascism these Portuguese were tortured and killed by the political police P.I.D.E

With the revolution of April 25, 1974

Portugal left a dictatorship that Portugal had for 48 years.

Portugal was a closed country, with its back turned to all of europe, the largest trade with Portugal was with the former colonies of Portugal Angola Mozambique Guiné Bissau.

Coffee Sisal Cotton Potatoes Diamonds Gold etc. etc.

Portugal had everything, but the Portuguese had nothing.

With the revolution of Portugal that say the Carnation revolution flowers also hears dead



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Coup of 25 November 1975 - Wikipedia


Golpe de 25 de Novembro de 1975 – Wikipédia, a enciclopédia livre


The coup of November 25, 1975 was an attempted military coup led by a faction of the armed forces, whose failure resulted in the end of the Revolutionary Process underway, allowing a pluralistic, politically and constitutionally based democracy to be established in Portugal -presidentialist, and economically based on a market economy. [1]

After the hot summer of this year, in which the dispute between revolutionary forces and moderate forces by the occupation of the power of the Council of the Revolution takes place, civilians and military began to count rifles for a possible armed confrontation. This so often announced appeared to be inevitable, when, on the night of November 25, 1975, paratroopers occupy several air bases, hoping to receive support from COPCON. But opposing them an operational group of military, headed by Ramalho Eanes, managed to counter the revolt, replacing the PREC, acronym for Revolutionary Process in Course, by the Constitutional Process in Course.

In portuguese

O golpe de 25 de Novembro de 1975 foi uma tentativa de golpe militar conduzido por uma fação das forças armadas, cujo fracasso resultou no fim do Processo Revolucionário em Curso, permitindo que se instaurasse em Portugal uma democracia pluralista, política e constitucionalmente baseada num regime semi-presidencialista, e economicamente baseada numa economia de mercado.[1]

Após o Verão Quente desse ano, em que se efetua a disputa entre forças revolucionárias e forças moderadas pela ocupação do poder do Conselho da Revolução, civis e militares começaram a contar espingardas para um possível confronto armado. Este, tantas vezes anunciado pareceu por fim inevitável, quando, na madrugada de 25 de Novembro de 1975, tropas paraquedistas ocupam diversas bases aéreas, na expectativa de receber apoio do COPCON. Mas opondo-se-lhes um grupo operacional de militares, chefiado por Ramalho Eanes, conseguiu contrariar a revolta, substituindo o PREC, acrónimo para Processo Revolucionário em Curso, pelo Processo Constitucional em Curso.[2]
 
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Communism is just plain stupid and never works out well for the people. Portugal did a very silly thing in 1974. I was there too, and slipped out of a bar without paying the bill just before the soldiers starting storming the streets in the morning.
He was lucky he did not pay the bill, if he was not mistreated by the military, he was lucky, too?

Teve sorte não pagou a conta,se não foi maltratado pelos militares tambem teve sorte?
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If the coup 25 November 1975 goes forward. A civil war was beginning in Portugal the Portuguese of Northern Portugal wanted to divide Portugal into two countries. South Portugal communist north Portugal Democratic Republic I was 15 and a half years old in 1974 I was a military man I was 19 years old my head was already washed as it was thousands of Portuguese, washed from childhood were the school teachers, when it came time to be a military to kill the blacks who fought for the independence of their countries.
I and many Portuguese were very lucky 25 April 1974

Did you know when the Portuguese military when it arrives Angola Mozambique Guinea Bissau were injected with injections that had the name of the injection of horse knows what was the injection for when the Portuguese were in combat war particar primitive acts with the natives of Portuguese Africa , my friend, you can not imagine the atrocities that the Portuguese military did in Portuguese Africa, what I mean about myself, I got rid of being the same, for example my older brother or cousin or an acquaintance, so I say thank you 25 April 1974

Friend I have friends and family older than I have been in the war, they do not like to talk about what they did in Africa only say they were ordered to make orders.
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Se o Golpe 25 Novembro 1975 vai para a frente.Começava uma guerra civil em Portugal os portuguêses do Norte de Portugal queria dividir Portugal em dois países . Sul Portugal comunista norte Portugal Democrático eu tinha 15 anos e meio em 1974 eu fui militar tinha 19 anos a minha cabeça já estava lavada como estava milhares de portugueses,lavada desde de criânça era os professores da escola,para quando chegasse a hora de ser militar ir matar os pretos que lutavam pela independência dos seus países.
Eu e muitos portuguêses tivemos muita sorte obrigado 25 abril 1974

Voçê sabia quando os militares portuguêses quando chega-se Angola Momçambique Guiné Bissáu eram injectados com injecções que tinha o nome a injecção de cavalo sabe para que servia essa injecção para quando os portuguêses estivessem em combate de guerra particar actos primitivos com os nativos das áfrica portuguêsa,amigo voçê não imagina as atrocidades que os militares portuguêses fizeram na africa portuguêsa,o que eu quero dizer sobre a minha pessoa eu me livrei de ser igual ,por exemplo meu irmão mais velho ou primo ou um conhecido,por isso eu digo obrigado 25 Abril 1974

Amigo eu tenho amigos e familiares mais velhos do que eu estiveram na guerra,eles não gostam de falar sobre o que fizeram em áfrica só dizem que eram mandados a fazer comprir as ordens.


Portugal tem muita história escondida, ainda por saber. Portugal has a lot of hidden history, yet to know.
 
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Avlis, I puzzle over what you say. I only know my life and to think so differently as the wrongful acts of which you speak, is incomprehensible to me. I believe I understand the importance of consciousness of human rights and believing we are all equal and cannot do wrong to another, no matter what color, religion, or any other difference between ourselves and the other. I am distressed that NOT everyone in the United States firmly believes we are all equal and I don't think I want to comprehend how they think because I do not want to think like them and be tempted to do wrong to another.

However, you speak of communism and I am not sure that is wrong? Something is wrong with an economy that does not provide well for everyone, but our capitalist system surely does not provide well for everyone, so we can not throw stones at communist on economic grounds alone. Oh my, there are so many different flavors of communism and capitalism and this gets all mixed up with notions of human rights and authority over the people and property rights versus human rights. I am struggling to understand your experience and revolution. What are the rights people fought for and exactly what were the wrongs they fought against?

You mentioned brainwashing in school. Exactly what was the thought you were taught to believe? Why did you question that thought? I hunger to know the deeper forces of revolution that lead to people killing each other. What thoughts hold us as slaves and what thoughts make us willing to put human lives on the line in a struggle for change, and how are these revolutionary thoughts spread?
 
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Hi, my friend, sorry to only respond now.

Everything I say is true, is part of the history of Portugal good history and bad history. Friend I lived 15 years and a half in the dictatorship of Portugal was enough for me to know what a country is to live in a dictatorship and a country live in a democracy, without offense the friend atena does not know what a facist country like Portugal was and have a facist education in the school as demanded by António Oliveira Salazar

Today I'm 60 years old I see the world different for the better.
But when I was 15 or 20 years old in my head I had the ideas of fascism, without offending my compatriots, especially those who were soldiers in former Portuguese Africa, many of them still living on the streets today are poor and drunk, because of the plot they had in Colonial war. My wife's brother is 68 years old. He still wakes up at night. The broom walks around the house thinking it's in the forest to shoot with a G3 gun.
There are many Portuguese as well as my brother-in-law. That's why I say thank you April 25, 1974 I pity the Portuguese revolution being late could be earlier for example 50's or early 1960's
friens the colonial war helped Portugal be a more lagged country in relation to other European countries. That was expensive for Portugal

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In portuguese

Olá amiga Athena desculpa de só responder agora.

Tudo que eu digo é verdade,faz parte da história de Portugal boa história e má história. Amiga eu vivi 15 anos e meio na dictadura de Portugal foi o suficiente para eu saber o que é um país viver numa dictadura e um país viver numa democracia,sem ofensa a amiga atena não sabe o que é um país facista como foi Portugal e ter uma educação facista na escola como exigia o António Oliveira Salazar

Hoje eu tenho 60 anos vejo o mundo diferente para melhor.
Mas quando eu tinha 15 ou 20 anos ainda na minha cabeça tinha as ideias facista,sem ofender os meus compatriótas principalmente os que foram militares em antiga africa portuguêsa,muitos ainda hoje vivem nas ruas são pobres e bêbados, por causa do trama que tiveram na guerra colonial.Irmão de minha esposa tem 68 anos ainda hoje acorda durante a noite péga na vassoura anda pela casa a dentro a pensar que está na floresta a dar tiros com arma G3
Existe muitos portuguêses assim como o meu cunhado. Por isso eu digo obrigado 25 abril 1974 tenho pena da revolução portuguesa ser tarde podia ser mais cedo por exemplo anos 50 ou inicio de 1960
Amiga a guerra colonial ajudou Portugal ser um país mais atrazado em relação a outros países da europa.Que foi caro para Portugal
 
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I am working now and will also be slow to respond. I want to know more than you have told.

I think I can understand the horrors of war and being troubled by bad memories. I think I can understand bad economic control that leads to not doing as well as other countries. But I still am not understanding the reason for the civil war and what it means to think fascist?

The US put young people in war, and many of them suffered from war memories and this caused some to end up in prison and others to be homeless and it killed many young men in my generation. War is a terrible thing and young men can be eager to go to war, thinking it is an adventure and a good way to prove themselves. That is a bad that is part of the United States too.
 
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Yes I know of the young Americans, who went to war of their own free will, and many today have traumas and sufferings, others have killed in U.S.A and are in the cage.

The difference that exists the American military went for pleasure for the war, the Portuguese military were forced to go to war Angola Moçambique Guiné Bissáu.

By tail of the dictatorship that Portugal had. Salazar had only eyes for the Portuguese colonies.

You and many foreigners do not know how many Portuguese youths fled to France to flee the colonial war, many were killed by the Portuguese police on the borders of Portugal and Spain.

Amiga Portugal still has a lot of history saved, that has not been divulged to the whole world. We are a country with many secrets.
What remains to be said to the world.

In portuguese


Sim eu sei dos jovens americanos,que iam para a guerra de livre vontade,e muitos hoje tem traumas e sofrem,outros mataram em U.S.A e estão na jaula.

A diferência que existe os militares americanos iam por prazer para a guerra,os militares portuguêses eram obrigados a ir para a guerra Angola Moçambique Guiné Bissáu.

Por cauda da dictadura que Portugal tinha.Salazar só tinha olhos para as colónias portuguêsas.

Voçê e muitos estrangeiros não sabe quantos jovens portuguêses fujiram para França para fujirem á guerra colonial,muitos foram mortos pela policia portuguêsa nas fronteiras Portugal e Espanha.

Amiga Portugal ainda tem muita história guardada,que ainda não foi divulgada a todo o mundo.Somos um país com muitos segredos.
Que ainda falta dizer ao mundo.
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understanding the reason for the civil war and what it means to think fascist?

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Revolution 25 April 1974


Golpe de 25 de Novembro de 1975 - Beat of 25 November 1975


History of Portuguese dictatorship


The coup of November 25, 1975 was an attempted military coup led by a faction of the armed forces, whose failure resulted in the end of the Revolutionary Process underway, allowing a pluralistic, politically and constitutionally based democracy to be established in Portugal -presidentialist, and economically based on a market economy. [1]

After the hot summer of this year, in which the dispute between revolutionary forces and moderate forces by the occupation of the power of the Council of the Revolution takes place, civilians and military began to count rifles for a possible armed confrontation. This so often announced appeared to be inevitable, when, on the night of November 25, 1975, paratroopers occupy several air bases, hoping to receive support from COPCON. But opposing them an operational group of military, headed by Ramalho Eanes, managed to counter the revolt, replacing the PREC, acronym for Revolutionary Process in Course, by the Constitutional Process in Course.


The civil war because of the Portuguese Communists of the South of Portugal.

The Portuguese of the North speak of dividing Portugal into two countries, Northern Portugal democratic and southern communist Portugal. It was a threat to Europe and America.
Thankfully there was no civil war in Portugal.

In portuguese

A guerra civil por causa dos comunistas portuguêses do Sul de Portugal.

Os portuguêses do Norte falar dividir Portugal em dois países Norte Portugal democrático e o sul de Portugal comunista.Era uma ameça para a europa e américa.
Ainda bem que não houve guerra civil em Portugal.


on 25 April 1974 saw military and war tanks coming to my door, never forget me again I was almost 16 years old.

25 April 1974 Marcello Caetano if Salazar was alive in 1974 he did not surrender, as Marcello Caetano surrendered.


In portuguese

em 25 abril de 1974 vi militares e tanques de guerra a passar á minha porta,nunca mais me esqueçe tinha quase 16 anos de idade.

25 abril 1974 Marcello Caetano se o Salazar fosse vivo em 1974 ele não se rendia,como se rendeu o Marcello Caetano.
 
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Oh my, we have a serious misunderstanding. :lol: Humans have many misunderstandings and we must have a sense of humor if we are going to forgive ourselves and others. :kiss: I hate war and many of us with WWII parents were taught to hate war and it was their son's sent into the Vietnam war against their will. We had the draft and if a young man's name was called he had to join the war effort. Some of these young people fleed to Canadia. Many of us protested the war. We had songs against war and those songs stirred many of us to protest the war. However, later, following the planes flying into the World Trade Building, I knew some young men who thought they should volunteer for that war. I saw these young people had no concept of the reality of war! I think the cycle of war and peace is largely because those who remember war want to avoid it and a generation later the bad of war is forgotten and the young are ready for war again. And of course, attacking buildings in the US had everyone riled up. In the US it was governmentally very hard for the US to go to war, but that got changed. Our forefathers did not want us rushing into wars as we did following 9/11. The US had a very different history and attitude about war, but I need to focus on your troubling war.

Your war is not as different from our wars as you may think. Why did your country enter the Angola Moçambique Guiné Bissáu war? Did your north and south have different economic needs that tore them apart? If we are to understand wars, I think we need to understand the economic reason behind war. When a country has different economic needs, it is torn.

Now let us fall back on youth and how easily they are manipulated into believing the best thing they can do is fight for what is right. First off, the physically and mentally ready for excitement and proving themselves. Secondly, they are told there is a wrong they must fight against and that is very honorable to fight this fight and in their youthful need for social status and approval they willing fight against the wrong. If they don't and some will not to fight in a war, they are killed or put in prison. Resistance to war cannot be tolerated. The US was too tolerant of war protest songs and war protesters at the time of the Vietnam war, and the resistance to the war became stronger than the willingness to support the war. I hear you saying such protest could not have happened in Portugal. That is the point to focus on.

The US used public education to prepare for WWI and WWII and keep the war effort going. It could not do this with following wars. The US position on war has shifted radically and unfortunately few know this. You mentioned education as part of Portugal's war effort. Can you say more about that?

As for national secrets. I am afraid the regular citizens are nieve and ignorant. The elite have a completely different understanding of politics and war than regular citizens. To the masses, it is secret why decisions of war are made. In general, the US citizens were unaware of the neocon's plans to take military control of the mid-east and use mid-east oil to pay for this. Those who are aware of the neocons suspect they had a role in the planes flying into the World Trade Center. Whatever, to understand war, I think we need to understand who has power and authority and what is the economic agenda of these people. Then on a completely different level is what youth has to do with a willingness to enter a war and their powerless to stop the war from happening. Historically, wars serve the elite and it is the powerless who loose their lives.
 

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