Hitler was stupid to not attack Russia FIRST

Apr 2015
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Yep, June 22nd. Far too late in the year to start an invasion of that huge country.
The weather is often used as an excuse, but the real reason was logistics, the German forces were over extended and under supplied.
The German plan counted on all major Soviet formations being destroyed within the first 500 miles, when they continued to face major Soviet formations after this distance their plan started to fall apart.
 
Dec 2014
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The weather is often used as an excuse, but the real reason was logistics, the German forces were over extended and under supplied.
The German plan counted on all major Soviet formations being destroyed within the first 500 miles, when they continued to face major Soviet formations after this distance their plan started to fall apart.
Indeed. The German Army was not even equipped with winter clothing. Starting the invasion in the latter part of June simply assured their failure.
 
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Had Hitler waited till he had deployed operational jet aircraft, ballistic missiles, and nuclear weapons, then the story might have been different.
 
Sep 2017
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The weather is often used as an excuse, but the real reason was logistics, the German forces were over extended and under supplied.
The German plan counted on all major Soviet formations being destroyed within the first 500 miles, when they continued to face major Soviet formations after this distance their plan started to fall apart.
And how did they plan to hold on the the Ost Lebensraum without without food and winter clothing?

It was terrible planning without the proper supplies and logistical capabilities on hand, and the Germans had no "Plan B".

Indeed. The German Army was not even equipped with winter clothing. Starting the invasion in the latter part of June simply assured their failure.
No, the timing for the launch of Operation Barbarossa was correct. They had to wait for the ground to harden up after the spring thaw, otherwise their panzer pinchers would have been bogged down in mud.

What the Germans lacked in their Order of Battle was the 6th Army that had to be diverted to the invasion of Yugoslavia and Greece due to the ineptness of the Italian Army to secure the southern flank by taking Greece and Yugoslavia out of the equation. The German allies of Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary were exposed.
 
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Time was of the essence

Had Hitler waited till he had deployed operational jet aircraft, ballistic missiles, and nuclear weapons, then the story might have been different.
He had a jet, the ME 262 Schwalbe (an interceptor) - but he wanted a multi-role fighter-bomber, & he kept tinkering with the parameters. Goering wasn't going to say no. & so they went back & forth. (Plus engine & metallurgy problems, then late in the war - fuel problems.)

He had the V-2, a capable enough SRBM. But it could only loft 2,200 #.

He never got to a nuclear weapon, the German nuclear research & blue-sky design effort was never centralized. & apparently they had the wrong estimate of how much uranium would be needed. & the US bombs weighed in @ 9,700 # (Little Boy), & 10,300 # (Fat Man). Much too heavy for the V-2.

If the ETO had dragged on, the US might have used nuclear weapons on German forces - hard to tell, @ this distance in time. Certainly the possibility that the Germans might break out into nuclear weapons was one of the causes of the fevered pitch @ the Manhattan Project & @ Los Alamos.
 
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Sep 2017
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Had Hitler waited till he had deployed operational jet aircraft, ballistic missiles, and nuclear weapons, then the story might have been different.
Had Hitler not persecuted Jews, that might have been true.

The Manhattan Project was almost a who's who of Jews that fled Europe on the eve of WWII.

Without an atomic payload, those V-2 missiles were worthless. The Iraqi Scuds were essentially V-2 rockets with modern improvements and they could hit squat.

Jet fighters? The Germans being the first to go operational with the Messerschmitt-262. Within the overlapping differences in performance and tactics between the early jets and the late propeller fighters, there was hardly any advantage. The jets had virtually no loiter time and had to run the gauntlet in takeoff and landing procedures.
 
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