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Sep 2018
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#11
Your post seems to divert attention away from the fact that the promises of Hitler and Roosevelt were the same and the US imitated Germany in very significant ways to fulfil those promises and we seriously need to be aware of the organizational forces that come into play here.

The mentality that was a problem is the same in the US and Germany.

I would like to exclude racism as a problem in the US, but racism has been a serious problem in the US. Hitler's thoughts of perfecting the human race are based on the eugenics first developed in the US. The concentration camps follow Germany knowledge of native American reservations in the US.

I find your post difficult to understand. What are the points you are trying to make? You need to use your own words.
actually hitler imitiated the wpa and other new deal programs and they worked like a charm, i of course am in no way condoning hitlers treatment of gays leftists gypsies or jews but on an economic level hitler performed a miracle in less than three years he had everyone back to work most of it was the arms industry, but hey he proved keynsian economics works like a charm, and it did
 
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#12
Germany is a much better place than the usa
Has this always been so? What makes Germany a better place? I think right now it is, so it is important to know why that is so, and to understand the power of Nazi, Germany.

We now give children Social Security numbers at birth and more and more of lives are linked to having the having that number, giving government dangerous population control potential. We can not be tracked through school, banking and medical care, and only librarians resisted this drive to track people. Schools, banks the medical industry offered no resistance of increasing the government's ability to track people.

This tracking of people, keeping files on people and opening the files to anyone, means we are marginalizing people. This was strictly prohibited until just recently, so what happened to change our tolerance of this? How did our fear of government, become a fear to the unknown other?

We were thrilled when Reagan told the communist to tear down the wall separating Germany, and back then we had open borders with Mexico and Canada, now we have president promising to build a wall, the borders and closed and we can't even use public transportation without being able to show ID. How did this become acceptable? How can we be sure these changes in the government controlling our movements will not become as Nazi Germany?

We have gone from protecting people's privacy to making people mandatory reporters. That means, if you have a job Involving the care of others, you are a mandatory reporter and must report every cases of suspected abuse. Must report. Independent discretion is not tolerated. You must report family, neighbors, or whenever you suspect abuse. This is the most effective step Hitler took. He made people special reporters and no one was safe from the eyes of reporters. No could trust family or neighbors to report. At my childhood dinner table, I learned this was the evil of Germany. Now it is us.

However, we do not assure children have safe child care and parents have jobs, nor that these people have decent housing. Seems like we picked up the police state ways of our enemy better than we have acted on the promises of Roosevelt.
 
Sep 2018
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#13
Has this always been so? What makes Germany a better place? I think right now it is, so it is important to know why that is so, and to understand the power of Nazi, Germany.

We now give children Social Security numbers at birth and more and more of lives are linked to having the having that number, giving government dangerous population control potential. We can not be tracked through school, banking and medical care, and only librarians resisted this drive to track people. Schools, banks the medical industry offered no resistance of increasing the government's ability to track people.

This tracking of people, keeping files on people and opening the files to anyone, means we are marginalizing people. This was strictly prohibited until just recently, so what happened to change our tolerance of this? How did our fear of government, become a fear to the unknown other?

We were thrilled when Reagan told the communist to tear down the wall separating Germany, and back then we had open borders with Mexico and Canada, now we have president promising to build a wall, the borders and closed and we can't even use public transportation without being able to show ID. How did this become acceptable? How can we be sure these changes in the government controlling our movements will not become as Nazi Germany?

We have gone from protecting people's privacy to making people mandatory reporters. That means, if you have a job Involving the care of others, you are a mandatory reporter and must report every cases of suspected abuse. Must report. Independent discretion is not tolerated. You must report family, neighbors, or whenever you suspect abuse. This is the most effective step Hitler took. He made people special reporters and no one was safe from the eyes of reporters. No could trust family or neighbors to report. At my childhood dinner table, I learned this was the evil of Germany. Now it is us.

However, we do not assure children have safe child care and parents have jobs, nor that these people have decent housing. Seems like we picked up the police state ways of our enemy better than we have acted on the promises of Roosevelt.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/quality-of-life-full-list
 
Feb 2014
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#14
hitlers eugenics ideas came from the usa but not from fdr from people like coolidge
What is your point? Come over for tea and I will share an old eugenics book with you. This was a new science or technology if you like and it offered the hope of the improving the human race. I am sure you can agree with me that sometimes we think if a good idea is a very bad idea. Well, not exactly a bad idea, but an incomplete one. The notion that this new science would end having to deal with degenerate people, is quaint.
 
Sep 2018
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cleveland ohio
#15
What is your point? Come over for tea and I will share an old eugenics book with you. This was a new science or technology if you like and it offered the hope of the improving the human race. I am sure you can agree with me that sometimes we think if a good idea is a very bad idea. Well, not exactly a bad idea, but an incomplete one. The notion that this new science would end having to deal with degenerate people, is quaint.
actually i agree with a lot of what eugenics teaches i'm not for gassing jews or the disabled but there are humane ways to strengthen the heard why should the dieased the retarded the weak breed, the strong the smart thats what we need
 
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#16
Thank you so much for your reply. When we argue about being conservative of liberty or progressive, ect. I really want the conversation to change to identifying problems and discussing people solutions. The rest of the world faced overpopulation long ago. That is what pushed so many of them to the New Land. In the US we are not accustomed to the crowding people into limited space as other countries take for granted, and in some countries, socialism is the solution to maintaining a high standard of living.

I want us to become much more mathematically minded and stop the stupid arguing and get down to being realistic. We did not have the homelessness we have today, and it is not acceptable to have beggars on our streets and people sleeping on the parks, and trying to use a law, to force them into hiding, is unacceptable denial of a problem.
Give the homeless used Army tents and a small wood stove for heating and cooking. Give the homeless a new hatchet to cut down their own wood and preferably from the rich neighbor's yard. George Washington cut down a Cherry Tree using a Tomahawk.
 
Feb 2014
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actually hitler imitiated the wpa and other new deal programs and they worked like a charm, i of course am in no way condoning hitlers treatment of gays leftists gypsies or jews but on an economic level hitler performed a miracle in less than three years he had everyone back to work most of it was the arms industry, but hey he proved keynsian economics works like a charm, and it did
And for the same economic reasons, the US which stood against having an expensive military force now has the world's most expensive military force and like Hitler, Bush took us to war without budgeting for the war. So the immediate economy will look great, but the national debt does not look so good for the future.
 
Feb 2014
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#18
Give the homeless used Army tents and a small wood stove for heating and cooking. Give the homeless a new hatchet to cut down their own wood and preferably from the rich neighbor's yard. George Washington cut down a Cherry Tree using a Tomahawk.
Surely you jest? A serious problem is where to set up the tents? My community has been doing a lot of experimenting with the homeless gaining toleration of their presence. We have different homeless groups and I don't we are dealing with this reality at all adequately! I find it horrifying that people undergoing cancer treatment are homeless. Advanced alcoholics have serious health problems and need to be in sheltered living that addresses their medical needs, such a place to keep their insulin cool. They are dying on the streets without the medical care any dying animal deserves. The homeless parents and children, is an intolerable situation. The huge number of mentally ill people on our streets is also unacceptable. Because I fear becoming homeless as a result of increasing rents, I am very sensetive to the fact that we have eldler people living on the streets, and this problem will get much worse because we are denying it. The folks who are homeless because of loosing a partner or loosing a job, are greatly hurt by people who think all homeless people are drug addicts. I wish we were managing these problems more like Germany.
 
Feb 2014
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actually i agree with a lot of what eugenics teaches i'm not for gassing jews or the disabled but there are humane ways to strengthen the heard why should the dieased the retarded the weak breed, the strong the smart thats what we need
That is not an easy question but I am reminded of a very old book written by a minister. He explains that we should have children because children can bring out the best in us. The same goes with sharing our communities with challenged people. These people can bring out the best in us.

On the other hand, retarded parents and parents with challenged children, need extra help and this means another expense we might want to avoid. Because I was involved in changing laws regarding grandparents, I was involved with all kinds of people who loose children, and from what I saw I would say we need apartments for retarded parents and the apartments should have on-site professionals to help the parents.

In general, I think we could do much better involving the care of children and that many more jobs should have on-site childcare. We want mothers to work, but we are not giving them the support with childcare that they need.
 
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#20
Surely you jest? A serious problem is where to set up the tents? My community has been doing a lot of experimenting with the homeless gaining toleration of their presence. We have different homeless groups and I don't we are dealing with this reality at all adequately! I find it horrifying that people undergoing cancer treatment are homeless. Advanced alcoholics have serious health problems and need to be in sheltered living that addresses their medical needs, such a place to keep their insulin cool. They are dying on the streets without the medical care any dying animal deserves. The homeless parents and children, is an intolerable situation. The huge number of mentally ill people on our streets is also unacceptable. Because I fear becoming homeless as a result of increasing rents, I am very sensetive to the fact that we have eldler people living on the streets, and this problem will get much worse because we are denying it. The folks who are homeless because of loosing a partner or loosing a job, are greatly hurt by people who think all homeless people are drug addicts. I wish we were managing these problems more like Germany.
If I am jesting I will tell you I am jesting and I was not jesting. I merely provided a solution to solve the homeless problem. I don't want them to sleep under the stars in the cold of winter and a used Army tent is better than nothing. Army tents are made of canvas which repels water and with a hatchet they can make cots from the canvas and the tree branches they cut.

edit: innovation is the word they should memorize, be creative
 
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