How do we reduce the number of mass shootings?

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Yes educate people on the Value of Human life.
Teach them life is not always fair.. (I wish it was but it isn't)
Teach them that participation does not equal greatness.
Teach them how to handle disappointment.
 
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Anyone interested in this topic should read this before continuing with the "gun-free zone" argument;
https://www.jhsph.edu/research/centers-and-institutes/johns-hopkins-center-for-gun-policy-and-research/_pdfs/GunsOnCampus.pdf
That study from the anti-gun Bloomberg school is garbage.

It is based on the claim that very few mass shootings occur in gun free zones because police or armed security guards aren't prohibited. How many public events or public places prohibit police officers?
 

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Better mental health care. All of the major "mass shootings" have been done by mentally ill people. Why don't you care about helping them? Why do you keep focusing on banning guns?

You have made an excellent point. When the pro-gun side questions the liberals on their stances toward drugs, alcohol, and cigarettes - all of which cost many many many more times the number of causalities that guns do, the subject goes to Hell. It's because it's not about saving lives; it is about control. So, how do we reduce the number of mass shootings?

I've developed a list of risk factors and once a person has passed the half way mark (doing half or more of any of the things ) there is a 100 percent chance that person will commit an act of violence. If you'd like I can post the list.

I'd like to take a typical case, however, and show you what could be done (and in the end it would reduce the costs of local government.) Let's use Nicholas Cruz as our example:

Nicholas Cruz killed 17 people in the Parkland school shooting incident. So, we know that Cruz was a young man that was addicted to violent video games - sometimes playing for 15 hours a day; he was a special education student; he had a fascination with violence; he often posed on the Internet with weapons:

A mass murderer’s digital trail: Nikolas Cruz dropped crumbs all across the worldwide web

Police went to Cruz's home 39 times in a 7 year period

CNN: Law Enforcement Went To Nikolas Cruz’s Home 39 Times Over 7-Year Period


Cruz had a myriad of behavioral problems that mental health officials, LEOs, etc. find to be "eerily familiar." Here was a kid that was a loner, got expelled from school, got his kicks by killing small animals, was bullied in school, had a fascination with violence, said weird things to classmates in school, etc. etc. A liberal at Time magazine lamented the fact that nothing is being done to change the behavior of why a child would want an AR 15 in the first place.

Why We Shouldn't Always Expel Kids Like Nikolas Cruz

The Time writer had a personal bias since there is absolutely NOTHING wrong in wanting an AR 15. The problem is that society did not IDENTIFY AND REACT to the situation. We know, in advance, who is going to act BEFORE the act of violence occurs. It just becomes easier to blame the gun than it is to help fix broken people.

What We Know So Far About Florida Shooter Nikolas Cruz

DCF: Parkland Suspect Was Taking Medication at Time of Probe

What mental health treatment did Florida shooter receive | Daily Mail Online

(If you read between the lines, the fact that Cruz had been on SSRIs is being judiciously omitted.

In my follow-up post we will go point by point to show what could have been done
 
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LTP

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HOW DO WE STOP MASS SHOOTINGS?

In my previous post, I used the case of Parkland, Florida shooter, Nicholas Cruz as an example of how to identify what will be, most likely a mass shooter. There are certain behaviors that, once a sufficient number of them have been committed, the individual will most assuredly commit a violent act. So, in Nicholas Cruz's case, let us suppose that Florida commissioned an Intervention Program. Here is how it would work:

In the case, Broward County would have allocated some of its resources to this effort without starting another bureaucracy. You simply pull some local LEOs, a psychiatrist, some social workers / investigators, etc. into their own office. Their only job is to monitor the school system, identify problem children / youth, and oversee the Intervention Program.

When a child enters school, they are registered and all of them have a school ID number. This being the case, each time that someone under the age of 18 has some form of incident, it would be reported to the authorities. This includes, but would not be limited to: a reportable incident at school, a school expulsion, authorities being summoned to the home (i.e. domestic calls), tardiness / absence from school, police reports generated by parties reporting suspicious, questionable, and / or illegal activity. In this instance, this county Intervention Program would be notified. If an individual generates 3 of these reports within a 45 day period or 5 incidents within a 12 month time period, Intervention computers would be programmed to be notify that agency.

The Intervention Program would then spring into action. A social worker would be sent to the home to notify the parents and also meet with the child face to face in private. At this juncture, the social workers would begin to build a profile of both the child AND the family. They would be asking questions like whether or not there are two parents in the home? Do they work? How long is the child left unattended? Do the parents smoke, drink, do drugs, have a criminal history? What is the condition of the house? Is it clean or dirty?

An interview with the child may reveal whether they are unhappy at school, are living in a dysfunctional home, or maybe having emotional / psychological / psychiatric issues.

Once all of that is determined, it may be recommended that the child and / or the parents receive counseling in order to address the issue. If, within the next 60 days that child has another incident, counseling will be mandated for both the child and the parents. Additionally, the child would undergo a battery of tests to determine their IQ, involvement with illegal drugs, gang participation, and a search of their social media accounts. If warranted, the child may also be referred to the Intervention psychiatrist. If drugs are prescribed, the child and the parent will have a home visit from a social worker every 45 days. Furthermore, if after the mandated counseling and drugs (if any) are not working, the child should be removed from the home and placed into a rehabilitation facility.

In addition, the parents would be required to take parenting classes. These would take place in public schools after hours and on Saturdays. Before the child could return home, the parents would have to demonstrate that they can provide an adequate environment for the child. Additionally, the child would have to show that they are, indeed, rehabilitated. For the following 6 months, the family would have once a week sessions with a therapist and then evaluated for release or further intervention.

NO drugs can be prescribed until all the markers have been met to warrant a meeting with the psychiatrist. Any child on drugs must meet with a therapist at least 2 times per month in order to be eligible for them. In cases where ADD / ADHD are an issue, social workers must do an in depth interview with the parents to rule out dysfunction in the home. Adderall and Ritalin may only be masking an abusive and / or dangerous environment, not enough time being spent on physical exercise, inappropriate amount of sleep, an inadequate diet, or too much computer time - not to mention the child's interests may be counterproductive to a healthy lifestyle.

It is the supervision, interaction, and the child making constant progress that will make the difference in whether they blend into society or become a recidivist to the system. We can't keep handing kids a few pills, put them in rehab or expect therapy alone to cure them. You identify the root problem and eliminate it or put the child in a rehabilitation facility. You cannot sweep family dysfunction, mental illness, abuse, etc. under the rug and think a note from a single therapist will make everything okay.
 
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Anyone interested in this topic should read this before continuing with the "gun-free zone" argument;
https://www.jhsph.edu/research/centers-and-institutes/johns-hopkins-center-for-gun-policy-and-research/_pdfs/GunsOnCampus.pdf
your report says that CCL does not reduce casualties at shootings.

Tell that to the Students at the school in Pearl MS... Armed Teacher stops shooter from killing students

Tell that to the Students at appalacian state school of law

Tell that to the members of New Life Church CO springs.

Tell that to the dozen customers at the Santa Clara Gun shop

Tell that to the survivors at the Aniston Shoney's

Tell that to the survivors at the Golden Food market

Tell that to the surviors at the Early TX Peach house shooting.

tell that to the survivors at the AT&t Store shooting

Tell that to the survivors of College Park shooting

Tell that to the survivors at the Trolly Square shooting

Tell it to the survivors at the Winnemucca NV shooting,

Tell that to the survivors of Park Middle school dance shooting

Tell it to the Survivors of the Destiny Christian Center shooting

Survivors of the Tyler Court House shooting

survivors of the Clackamas Mall shooting

Strange how THESE shootings did not get much press, could it be because a GOOD GUY with a Gun Stopped the shooting. We cannot report such NEWS.
 

LTP

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You have presented is a very confused and multi-issue post. Apparently:
You are oppose to a gun discussion, but then launch into one.
You have no knowledge about the most famous pro-gun data promoter, John Lott.
You think, apparently that all biases are created equal and validation of any statement is not possible because all science is biased.
You seem to think that the most significant SCOTUS decision to promote your point of view was wrong.
You seem to think that SCOTUS does not have a valid role in interpreting the Constitution.
While complaining about deviation from the OP, you have launched into a series of extraneous issues.

So, what exactly is your message here?

I told you I don't know John Lott. Neither do you. So you post your personal opinions of him and it don't impress me.

You are demonstrating a lack of reading skills OR you are deliberately lying about what I said. The only job of the United States Supreme Court is to interpret the law - so you lied about what I said on that count. The United States Supreme Court is NOT authorized to legislate from the bench. pointing out the jurisdiction of the Court was NOT and is NOT "extraneous."

Science does not have anything to do with differing sides interpreting data different ways. You're being a dumb ass. I used one man's work to acknowledge that a problem exists. So, either mass shootings happen in the United States OR they do not. That was the only relevancy of Lott's statement. Lastly, I will leave you with the United States Supreme Court's own opinion that formed the basis of my earlier reply to you:

"The general misconception is that any statute passed by legislators bearing the appearance of law constitutes the law of the land. The Constitution of the United States is the supreme law of the land, and any statue, to be valid, must be in agreement. It is impossible for both the Constitution and a law violating it to be valid; one must prevail. This is succinctly stated as follows:
The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and name of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the time of its enactment, and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it.
An unconstitutional law, in legal contemplation, is as inoperative as if it had never been passed. Such a statute leaves the question that it purports to settle just as it would be had the statute not been enacted.
Since an unconstitutional law is void, the general principals follow that it imposes no duties, confers no rights, creates no office, bestows no power or authority on anyone, affords no protection, and justifies no acts performed under it . . .
A void act cannot be legally consistent with a valid one.
An unconstitutional law cannot operate to supersede any existing valid law.
Indeed, insofar as a statute runs counter to the fundamental law of the land, it is superseded thereby.
No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it."
-- Sixteenth American Jurisprudence, Second Edition, Section 177. (late 2nd Ed. Section 256)
 
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your report says that CCL does not reduce casualties at shootings.

Tell that to the Students at the school in Pearl MS... Armed Teacher stops shooter from killing students

Tell that to the Students at appalacian state school of law

Tell that to the members of New Life Church CO springs.

Tell that to the dozen customers at the Santa Clara Gun shop

Tell that to the survivors at the Aniston Shoney's

Tell that to the survivors at the Golden Food market

Tell that to the surviors at the Early TX Peach house shooting.

tell that to the survivors at the AT&t Store shooting

Tell that to the survivors of College Park shooting

Tell that to the survivors at the Trolly Square shooting

Tell it to the survivors at the Winnemucca NV shooting,

Tell that to the survivors of Park Middle school dance shooting

Tell it to the Survivors of the Destiny Christian Center shooting

Survivors of the Tyler Court House shooting

survivors of the Clackamas Mall shooting

Strange how THESE shootings did not get much press, could it be because a GOOD GUY with a Gun Stopped the shooting. We cannot report such NEWS.
Anecdote is not equal to data. You are asserting because someone somewhere intevened, that was sufficient to show a population level effect of CCW.
You cannot use isolated events to provide a social benefit of CCW. Faulty reasoning, but very common if you do not understand the data collection and statistics.