How Much is a "Living Wage?"

Dec 2018
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I've never liked the concept of a set living wage or a set poverty line because it varies so much state to state and city to city. I live in the Madison WI area and was interviewing for a new position with my company at our cooperate office in Providence RI. When discussing salary expectations I flat out told them they'd have to START with an extra $10K on my salary before I'd even consider it. Cost of living out there is outrageous.

So when we talk about a living wage there's no blanket number.
 
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Many on here have insisted that employers be required to pay a "living wage," presumably on pain of similar penalties for hiring workers now at less than the minimum wage.

So, exactly how much would that wage be?

How much should an employer be required to pay an unskilled entry level worker?

Ballpark figure is fine.
OK. I am going to re-answer this, both your straight question and your hidden follow-up question. Then I will have a question for you to answer me.

1. The ballpark figure should be whatever the current minimum wage is.
2. The minimum wage should also be the legal maximum wage, that way they have nothing to complain about since no one will be making any more or any less than anyone else. (This is not the same as a Universal Basic Income since you have to work to get it, that is if they want to work, I guess.)

My question to you:
Do you think the real reason why they are stocking up on toilet paper is because they wipe their asses BEFORE they shit?
 
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I'm just asking for a number.

How are you going to advocate for a law that requires a living wage without putting a number to it?

What would the law look like?

Would it just say, "all employers must pay a living wage to all employees," and not give specifics?

That's absurd.

Just answer with a number, please. Don't just say, "no, I didn't say that."
Once again @SeymourFlops2020 seems to think that precision will substitute for accuracy.
 
Feb 2020
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OK. I am going to re-answer this, both your straight question and your hidden follow-up question. Then I will have a question for you to answer me.

1. The ballpark figure should be whatever the current minimum wage is.
2. The minimum wage should also be the legal maximum wage, that way they have nothing to complain about since no one will be making any more or any less than anyone else. (This is not the same as a Universal Basic Income since you have to work to get it, that is if they want to work, I guess.)
Number two is actually what they want, whether they realize it or not.

My question to you:
Do you think the real reason why they are stocking up on toilet paper is because they wipe their asses BEFORE they shit?
Number two seems to be the appropriate answer to that one also.

I think they obsessively wipe down their toilet seat with toilet paper soaked in bleach before they sit down. They've long since abandoned environmentally friendly disinfectants like peroxide and vinagar.

Have you seen this:

Woman licks plane toilet seat for ‘coronavirus challenge’

If I were single and twenty years younger . . .
 
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HAHA! Actually, maybe some people are stocking up toilet paper because they are having panic attacks about the corona-cough and crapping their pants 5-7 times a day.
 
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All this goes back to the great philosophical battle between capitalism and communism that took place in the 1800's
Pope Leo XIII promulgated his encyclical Rerum Novarum (latin for the new way of doing things) in 1893 I believe.
What the pope said that people had a right to own businesses, that Labor had an obligation to put in a good days work.
He talked about the rights and obligations of Labor and Capital.
A person who worked had the obligation to serve his employer to the best of his ability, and in return, he was entitled to a wage that was sufficient to feed,clothe and house his family, and provide for some recreation, sufficient to cover his families medical costs, and provide for a decent retirement. Capital had the obligation to provide a decent safe work environment, and capital had the obligation to provide wages that met the needs of labor.

After the Pope died there were business interests who asked the new pope to reject the encyclical as too radical.
The new Pope, Saint Pius X, reaffirmed the encyclical as proper church teaching, and he was a saint.
A young politician in the US read that encyclical, and turned it into a political platform, called "The New Deal".

We come closest to this with workers who are organized into collective bargaining units.
So the only part of US law that came directly from Christian teachings is the part of the law the right wing is determined to expunge, the part put there by progressives.
There's a reason Reagan lived at 666 St Cloud.
 
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All this goes back to the great philosophical battle between capitalism and communism that took place in the 1800's
Pope Leo XIII promulgated his encyclical Rerum Novarum (latin for the new way of doing things).
What the pope said that people had a right to own businesses, that Labor had an obligation to put in a good days work.
He talked about the rights and obligations of Labor and Capital.
A person who worked had the obligation to serve his employer to the best of his ability, and in return, he was entitled to a wage that was sufficient to feed,clothe and house his family, and provide for some recreation, sufficient to cover his families medical costs, and provide for a decent retirement.

After the Pope died there were business interests who asked the new pope to reject the encyclical as too radical.
The new Pope, Saint Pius X, reaffirmed the encyclical as proper church teaching.
goober, that is very different. Labor and communism. Capitalism is a natural human instinct that has always existed (to want to own what you earn.) Communism comes from the writings of Marx (Das Kapital) which was published in 1867(?) and tell of not how the world should be but WILL be. the world's first constitutionally communist state was in Russia around 1920.

Well?
 
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goober, that is very different. Labor and communism. Capitalism is a natural human instinct that has always existed (to want to own what you earn.) Communism comes from the writings of Marx (Das Kapital) which was published in 1867(?) and tell of not how the world should be but WILL be. the world's first constitutionally communist state was in Russia around 1920.

Well?
Marx thought Russia would be the last state to adopt communism, he thought that socialism was the follow on from capitalism, and then communism would replace socialism.
Marx thought of Germany, Britain and the United States as advanced enough to make the move from capitalism to socialism.
What the pope did is look at the philosophy of socialism and capitalism, and put into words what Christian thinking would say about the rights and obligations of Labor and of Capital.
 
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Marx thought Russia would be the last state to adopt communism, he thought that socialism was the follow on from capitalism, and then communism would replace socialism.
Marx thought of Germany, Britain and the United States as advanced enough to make the move from capitalism to socialism.
What the pope did is look at the philosophy of socialism and capitalism, and put into words what Christian thinking would say about the rights and obligations of Labor and of Capital.
ok, but what you said about "
back to the great philosophical battle between capitalism and communism that took place in the 1800's
Pope Leo XIII "
has nothing to do with communism.

I believe in freedom of association so I believe people should form any kind of union, club, militia or association they want. And because I believe in freedom of association, I also believe in freedom of diss association or non-association. When a person is forced to be part of a union in order to work in a company or industry then this is called mafia. And when unions force their rules on businesses with the threat of strikes and walkouts then this is called mafia racketeering.

Also, why is it significant that Reagan lived at a 666 address? I have lived at a 666 address and have had a 666 phone number. If people were Satanists, don't you think they would be less obvious?
 
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Many on here have insisted that employers be required to pay a "living wage," presumably on pain of similar penalties for hiring workers now at less than the minimum wage.

So, exactly how much would that wage be?

How much should an employer be required to pay an unskilled entry level worker?

Ballpark figure is fine.
depends on if you are married, if you have kids or any other dependants but ballpark i'd say $20/hour