I regret that I have but one grandparent to give for my country

Dec 2015
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We could have fewer flu deaths with general quarantine, so we should do this forever?
Are you impaired in some way? COVID is NOT the FLU. Look it up. AND for God's sake .... when you make a statement on DTT be armed with links and sources.
I, for one, am sick of your blathering without any proof at all. Back up your statements or move on down the road.
 
Feb 2018
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From time to time there are statements that some military actions (e.g. Iraq, etc) are motivated by corporate money => oil.
Speaking hypothetically, if such statements were true that would be morally repugnant. Our fighting men and women do not enlist / commission and risk their lives and die so that some companies can profit.
And that is why war is "sold" with talk of "saving our freedom" and "making the world safe for democracy" and "fight for our country". And yet every war from WWI to today was about capitalism and wealth. Did we really believe that if we did not invade Vietnam that we would be "fighting communism on our own shores"? Did we really believe Saddam, as evil as he was, was not contained?
 
Nov 2012
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Are you impaired in some way? COVID is NOT the FLU. Look it up. AND for God's sake .... when you make a statement on DTT be armed with links and sources.
I, for one, am sick of your blathering without any proof at all. Back up your statements or move on down the road.
This is anonymous Internet forum. All posts are opinions. Any link I post is no more proof than any virtue signaling pompous self righteousness you present. You like links? There’s plenty of them. Post one that ”proves” me wrong.
 
Nov 2012
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COViD is not the flu? Sheesh, that makes no sense at all. It’s a virus , it effects the respiratory system. It’s spread by coughs and sneezes. Maybe by some irrelevant technical definition that is totally irrelevant to my point It’s not flu. The risk is comparable.
 
Dec 2016
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From time to time there are statements that some military actions (e.g. Iraq, etc) are motivated by corporate money => oil.
Speaking hypothetically, if such statements were true that would be morally repugnant. Our fighting men and women do not enlist / commission and risk their lives and die so that some companies can profit.

I urge people to consider the parallel where we are asking our elderly who did not volunteer to risk their lives for other people's money. Instead of protecting our sick and dying, some are asking that we should make the problem worse. And those who are speaking out the loudest (Beck, LT Gov of Texas, etc) are asking this from a privileged position of being able to throw millions into their healthcare if they get sick ...
... while the elderly they think we should risk would typically be covered by Medicare / Medicaid or other services.

While I personally think there could be a discussion for balance in our approach, asking people to die just because people are suffering economically is downright disgusting. Worse, we would not be in this mess if Trump weren't such an unmitigated boil on the face of rationality and he idiotically squandered our optimal preparedness in favor of him fixating on how the disease might impact him politically.
It was the equivalent of having a strong home security system purchased and in place, but Trump just neglected to enable it because he was concerned that doing so would harm his image. :mad:
The suffering is mostly caused by a capitalist system, where arms merchants and a for-profit health system makes rich people richer / and leave the "defense spending" costs for lowly wage earners to pay through their taxes and skyrocketing insurance premiums........what a world!

If a blockaded, embargoed socialist country like Cuba can provide high quality healthcare for their people, why doesn't the richest country in this hemispheres have resources to look after everyone impacted by this new pandemic?
 
Feb 2020
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COViD is not the flu? Sheesh, that makes no sense at all. It’s a virus , it effects the respiratory system. It’s spread by coughs and sneezes. Maybe by some irrelevant technical definition that is totally irrelevant to my point It’s not flu. The risk is comparable.
but COVID is not the flu!! why not be factual? it is similar. so is bronchitis or emphysema, in some form. but we have vaccines and known treatment for flu...and it is not as contagious, and it is not as deadly. and we know people who get the flu, build up an immunity, thus making similar outbreaks less prevalent. but i am not sure we know that yet about those who recover from COVID. other than that, yeah, i guess you have a point.
 
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Dec 2015
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This is anonymous Internet forum. All posts are opinions. Any link I post is no more proof than any virtue signaling pompous self righteousness you present. You like links? There’s plenty of them. Post one that ”proves” me wrong.
I've already DONE that---many times. AND NO. All posts are not opinions. Many of us post facts, statistics, quotes, video and audio to back up our opinions.
One of the reasons Trump has NO credibility AT ALL is because he's been caught in thousands of lies. Apparently YOU THINK that's great.
Most of us do not.
 
Jun 2018
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Most of us do not.
I suggest you look at the latest approval ratings on Trump before you make rash statements like that.
60% now agree that he's doing a great job on the COVID19 fight and that will surely translate to general approval ratings rising in the future. This is his shining hour and those who disagree are goig to be left in the dust wondering what happened..
 
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well, no it was never 50,000. the swine flu was 12,000 and it infected 60 million people!! and we have vaccines for flu, and people who are exposed to the flu build up an immunity. in a new virus, it takes a long time for the general population to build up any kind of social immunity that protects society from too large an outbreak, such as the swine flu and this one. the point is, the swine flu was similar to what we knew, was not scary, but it was dangerous. we had tests for swine flu that were simple and common. people who got it were not freaking out and rushing to emergency rooms and doctors and hospitals and 99.9 percent did NOT DIE...did not need respirators and masks and take up hospital space.


2009 H1N1 Pandemic (H1N1pdm09 virus) | Pandemic ...
www.cdc.gov › flu › pandemic-resources › 2009-h1n1-pandemic


Jun 11, 2019 - The 2009 H1N1 Pandemic: A New Flu Virus Emerges ... offered little cross-protection against (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection. ... and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus.
While a monovalent (H1N1)pdm09 vaccine was produced, it was not available in large quantities until late November—after the peak of illness during the second wave had come and gone in the United States. From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus.
99.9% are not dying now. In the US its around 1.4%, or in other words around 98.5% do not die