In the socialist system, there's a mix of both.

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The example of the United States serves as a reminder that these ideas exist on a three-dimensional scale, in which differentiation is often tricky.
It frustrates me when people try to simplify what is complex and lump ideologies together when they are very very different, i know this is because americans are intellectually lazy in the most frightening way possible, and proud of it Do you know the difference between a Communist and a Socialist?
 
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Socialism & Communism

The term "socialism" is a player in a language game, as with "communism". The idea of small-scale communes operated by several dozen or so people at a time few people take issue with, when voluntarily created & maintained--same with worker co-operatives. Now, communes have decentralized power, and organization, however when people practically discuss the terms "socialism" or "communism" in modern political discourse, they refer to willfully & happily conceding tremendous amounts of power to a state authority who would, in principle, act as an authoritative mediator/arbiter/referee/middle-man. Of course, this is the antithesis to the guiding principle of a small-scale commune.

Right Wing

The further right-wing one gets, it strips away government power entirely and becomes individualist in nature. That is, one is in charge of & responsible for themselves, their possessions (i.e. private property) & their family unit, as well as an inner circle, if applicable (e.g. very close friends, etc.). Then, these people/units voluntarily decide whether or not they desire to collaborate with others, or disengage/disassociate. It can potentially look quite a bit like communes, in some instances, with the main difference that people barter and/or trade for goods, if desired, rather than a mandated collaborative pool of community resources.
 
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Socialism & Communism

The term "socialism" is a player in a language game, as with "communism". The idea of small-scale communes operated by several dozen or so people at a time few people take issue with, when voluntarily created & maintained--same with worker co-operatives. Now, communes have decentralized power, and organization, however when people practically discuss the terms "socialism" or "communism" in modern political discourse, they refer to willfully & happily conceding tremendous amounts of power to a state authority who would, in principle, act as an authoritative mediator/arbiter/referee/middle-man. Of course, this is the antithesis to the guiding principle of a small-scale commune.

Right Wing

The further right-wing one gets, it strips away government power entirely and becomes individualist in nature. That is, one is in charge of & responsible for themselves, their possessions (i.e. private property) & their family unit, as well as an inner circle, if applicable (e.g. very close friends, etc.). Then, these people/units voluntarily decide whether or not they desire to collaborate with others, or disengage/disassociate. It can potentially look quite a bit like communes, in some instances, with the main difference that people barter and/or trade for goods, if desired, rather than a mandated collaborative pool of community resources.
lol what like the ante bellu south you have to be kidding with that definition , the right is al about heirarchy one person telling everyone BELOW WHAT TO DO
 

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