Is a return to "normal" even possible?

Nov 2018
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Yes, I know, what is normal???

Well, I would say that elections between relatively equal opponents. Similar to Bush-Gore, BushHW-Clinton, Obama-McCain where you realize that either choice is tolerable for 4-8 years. Trump has broken the mold and has instituted many changes to the culture of the Presidency and demonstrated that competence has no meaning in the job. So, has this fractured the institution irrevocably or is this just a Lost Weekend or Spring Break in Orlando that we can put behind us?

I don't really care about an impeachment so much as an entirely new administration with the minimal disruption of the illusion of some possible bipartisanship. Will the legacy of McCain be the last voice of reason in this American government? At least until the next major galvanizing event of terrorism or war....

The progressively bizarre evolution of the Right is of particular concern. What is, really, "the Deep State" if nothing more than a nebulous expression that justifies paranoia and implies as a goal all that is not the "Deep State".... presumably that would be the Superficial State (denoting the absence of insight or intellect of the Right). The Deep State is spoken of now as though it is obvious (at least to some). But, what is it really and what does it say about those who espouse it?

Woven into this "New Right" is a profound anti-intellectualism and a view that "what I know is what is true". This sort of low-brow intellect so epitomized by the Right's talking heads has a mass appeal that does not seem, qualitatively, much different from fascist ideology about family, fatherland, and hero worship. There is no thinking of theory or ideology-- there is only blind allegiance and rationalization. Where is the questioning and intellectual conservative? Trump has produced a Frankenstein version of Republican politics.
 
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Good thread, Biff. Maybe there will be a new normal?
Trump has most definitely destroyed norms, sure, but he has put others in their place. He has institutionalized a new level of acceptable dishonesty that will take years to correct, but we've been here before. We endured the dictatorial ambitions of Richard Nixon and his absurd dishonesty. Then finally elected Jimmy Carter, probably the most decent, honest man to ever sit in the Oval office and look at how he was treated.
This country rode-out the 60s, with all it's assassinations, lies, deceit, violence, and racism---but we came through the fires.

It takes a long long time to recover from nightmares---the PTSD of politics. This country needs unifying 2020 candidates with impeccable ethics/morals--- brand new "someones" who will slap the oxygen masks on each of us and push us out of the burning building.
I don't know who that is (yet). AND as far as I'm concerned it doesn't have to be a Democrat although I seriously doubt if the GOP is smart enough to come up with a reputable candidate. Is there someone *anyone* in the Republican Party who doesn't have the morals of an alleycat?
They will STILL want millions of guns. They will still want to control women, gays, and people of color. They will still insist that public schools and institutions teach Christianity. AND they will still oppose social programs........so........eventually they will be relegated to the corner wearing a dunce hat.
No matter what happens this country will be in crisis for a long time. The damage is done and we are broken. The entire world sees it. Unfortunately, the party that has created the crisis and then perpetuated it DOES NOT see it.

AND I DO KNOW what "normal" is. Here ya go:
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Woven into this "New Right" is a profound anti-intellectualism and a view that "what I know is what is true".
I think the growing extremes on the left should worry you, too. Your statement above is a generalization, but shall we reexamine the exact words of the socialist left's new leading light?

I think that there's a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right.” -- AOC in an interview with 60 Minutes

The sentiment you project on the far right literally came out of her mouth. So I agree with you. The idiots on the fringe should concern us.
 
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They will STILL want millions of guns. They will still want to control women, gays, and people of color. They will still insist that public schools and institutions teach Christianity. AND they will still oppose social programs........so........eventually they will be relegated to the corner wearing a dunce hat.
... and is this the sort of "unifying" message you had in mind?
 
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Good thread, Biff. Maybe there will be a new normal?
Trump has most definitely destroyed norms, sure, but he has put others in their place. He has institutionalized a new level of acceptable dishonesty that will take years to correct, but we've been here before. We endured the dictatorial ambitions of Richard Nixon and his absurd dishonesty. Then finally elected Jimmy Carter, probably the most decent, honest man to ever sit in the Oval office and look at how he was treated.
This country rode-out the 60s, with all it's assassinations, lies, deceit, violence, and racism---but we came through the fires.

It takes a long long time to recover from nightmares---the PTSD of politics. This country needs unifying 2020 candidates with impeccable ethics/morals--- brand new "someones" who will slap the oxygen masks on each of us and push us out of the burning building.
I don't know who that is (yet). AND as far as I'm concerned it doesn't have to be a Democrat although I seriously doubt if the GOP is smart enough to come up with a reputable candidate. Is there someone *anyone* in the Republican Party who doesn't have the morals of an alleycat?
They will STILL want millions of guns. They will still want to control women, gays, and people of color. They will still insist that public schools and institutions teach Christianity. AND they will still oppose social programs........so........eventually they will be relegated to the corner wearing a dunce hat.
No matter what happens this country will be in crisis for a long time. The damage is done and we are broken. The entire world sees it. Unfortunately, the party that has created the crisis and then perpetuated it DOES NOT see it.

AND I DO KNOW what "normal" is. Here ya go:
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I woke up to a story about "vaccination exception" movement.
This movement demonstrates those central qualities of the parochialism of the poorly educated. It is perfect Trump political cause, as Trump uses narrowly constructed and selfish issues to encourage all manner of political policy that reinforces a thinking that is really just bigotry and ignorance. What tends to save the country is that Trump's attention span does not seem to be very long. Consider the Carrier factory, Harley-Davidson, Iran deal, Afghanistan, Korea, Syria, tax cut, Wall..... He waves his hand impulsively to make it happen on whim. He seems to deal with politics as just a matter of Twitter responses.