Is America absolutely bonkers??

Mar 2006
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Islamabad
#1
Holeeeeee Sheit 'murica. Are you for real?

I mean it's quite evident that a$$holes, demagogues, bigots and crooks have come to dominate political elites in pretty much every society on the globe. In this way there is nothing unique about the US. In the wake of this rise of the b@ast@rds, the political discourse has also become extremely polarised. Again not uniquely in america.

But seriously guys .. Trump?? I mean i get why one would vote for him rather than Clinton. I really do. Given the choice between Trump and Clinton, i may also have picked the former.

But what i really don't get is the sheer vehemence with which his supporters refuse to acknowledge his unreliability, unsuitability, ignorance and genuine hypocrisy. I mean really... how can there be any doubt about these things?
 
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Jul 2015
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chicago
#2
Holeeeeee Sheit 'murica. Are you for real?

I mean it's quite evident that a$$holes, demagogues, bigots and crooks have come to dominate political elites in pretty much every society on the globe. In this way there is nothing unique about the US. In the wake of this rise of the b@ast@rds, the political discourse has also become extremely polarised. Again not uniquely in america.

But seriously guys .. Trump?? I mean i get why one would vote for him rather than Clinton. I really do. Given the choice between Trump and Clinton, i may also have picked the former.

But what i really don't get is the sheer vehemence with which his supporters refuse to acknowledge his unreliability, unsuitability, ignorance and genuine hypocrisy. I mean really... how can there be any doubt about these things?
Trump is reliable, suitable, and smart. he's doing a great job.
 
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Dec 2015
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Arizona
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Trump is reliable, suitable, and smart. he's doing a great job.

I'm sorry your dictionary is on the fritz. Let me help.

Reliable: trustworthy, dependable, good, true, faithful, devoted, steadfast, staunch, constant, loyal, trusty, dedicated, unfailing;
truthful, honest

Now try that post again.
 
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Dec 2016
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Canada
#5
Holeeeeee Sheit 'murica. Are you for real?

I mean it's quite evident that a$$holes, demagogues, bigots and crooks have come to dominate political elites in pretty much every society on the globe. In this way there is nothing unique about the US. In the wake of this rise of the b@ast@rds, the political discourse has also become extremely polarised. Again not uniquely in america.

But seriously guys .. Trump?? I mean i get why one would vote for him rather than Clinton. I really do. Given the choice between Trump and Clinton, i may also have picked the former.

But what i really don't get is the sheer vehemence with which his supporters refuse to acknowledge his unreliability, unsuitability, ignorance and genuine hypocrisy. I mean really... how can there be any doubt about these things?
Didn't Ancient Rome's worst emperors:Nero, Commodus and Caligula, also come along near the end of the Roman Empire?

I agree with those who see DT as a symptom of a growing crisis/not the cause of the crisis. And it's worth noting that on many issues like immigration, Trump didn't invent ICE or Homeland Security, he's just taking off the oversight: giving them more license to do it the way they say it needs to be done. Like so many other issues, the Trump era is not a whole lot different than the Obama, Bush and Clinton eras; it's more of a gradual progression towards a racist police state controlled by wealthy interests seeking to use government to enrich themselves further.
 
Apr 2013
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La La Land North
#6
Didn't Ancient Rome's worst emperors:Nero, Commodus and Caligula, also come along near the end of the Roman Empire?

I agree with those who see DT as a symptom of a growing crisis/not the cause of the crisis. And it's worth noting that on many issues like immigration, Trump didn't invent ICE or Homeland Security, he's just taking off the oversight: giving them more license to do it the way they say it needs to be done. Like so many other issues, the Trump era is not a whole lot different than the Obama, Bush and Clinton eras; it's more of a gradual progression towards a racist police state controlled by wealthy interests seeking to use government to enrich themselves further.
What I am starting to worry about a bit, or at least only a bit so far, is that you might be right. And I believe in equilibria. If you compress a spring a little, it will return, but overshoot and wobble back and forth till friction slows it to a stop.

But if it gets pushed too far, this totally changes everything. The spring will mechanically break or get stretched past its elastic limit and then will not return.

And I think societies act that way too. If the Trump led corporatocracy keeps abusing its privilege, I could see massive societal reaction and the establishment of the type of socialism you advocate, which I think is equally unworkable.

IMO we must find some means of overcoming the Trump effect and get things gently returning to a midpoint.
 
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Nov 2012
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nirvana
#7
Holeeeeee Sheit 'murica. Are you for real?

I mean it's quite evident that a$$holes, demagogues, bigots and crooks have come to dominate political elites in pretty much every society on the globe. In this way there is nothing unique about the US. In the wake of this rise of the b@ast@rds, the political discourse has also become extremely polarised. Again not uniquely in america.

But seriously guys .. Trump?? I mean i get why one would vote for him rather than Clinton. I really do. Given the choice between Trump and Clinton, i may also have picked the former.

But what i really don't get is the sheer vehemence with which his supporters refuse to acknowledge his unreliability, unsuitability, ignorance and genuine hypocrisy. I mean really... how can there be any doubt about these things?
I mean i get why one would vote for him rather than Clinton. I really do. Given the choice between Trump and Clinton, i may also have picked the former.
"But what i really don't get is the sheer vehemence with which his supporters refuse to acknowledge his unreliability, unsuitability, ignorance and genuine hypocrisy."

"I mean it's quite evident that a$$holes, demagogues, bigots and crooks have come to dominate political elites in pretty much every society on the globe."
 
Dec 2016
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Canada
#8
What I am starting to worry about a bit, or at least only a bit so far, is that you might be right. And I believe in equilibria. If you compress a spring a little, it will return, but overshoot and wobble back and forth till friction slows it to a stop.

But if it gets pushed too far, this totally changes everything. The spring will mechanically break or get stretched past its elastic limit and then will not return.

And I think societies act that way too. If the Trump led corporatocracy keeps abusing its privilege, I could see massive societal reaction and the establishment of the type of socialism you advocate, which I think is equally unworkable.

IMO we must find some means of overcoming the Trump effect and get things gently returning to a midpoint.
Yes, it's like the main difference between Trump and his predecessors is he's a wide open, pure, unadulterated kleptocrat. I'm sure many or even most of his new-found banking allies are getting a little worried about how obvious he's making the game.

Whether socialism is workable or unworkable will depend on what kind of people make up society. Are they going to keep thinking along the lines they do today..measuring success by material wealth and competition with others vs. relearning a sense of community that began with our distant ancestors, and didn't start becoming degraded until much more recent times.
 
Apr 2013
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La La Land North
#9
Yes, it's like the main difference between Trump and his predecessors is he's a wide open, pure, unadulterated kleptocrat. I'm sure many or even most of his new-found banking allies are getting a little worried about how obvious he's making the game.

Whether socialism is workable or unworkable will depend on what kind of people make up society. Are they going to keep thinking along the lines they do today..measuring success by material wealth and competition with others vs. relearning a sense of community that began with our distant ancestors, and didn't start becoming degraded until much more recent times.
You raise this concept or things very similar to it many times, but for a long time now I have thought we are in for a big problem soon since the whole worlds economic health is based on the need for constant growth.

This growth requires ever increasing natural resource exploitation and an ever increasing population. Both of those conditions will end relatively soon.

What then?

Then add the ever increasing impact of robotics and we have a perfect storm of economic collapse and mass suffering.

I don't think it will be a threshold effect. I think it will be a slow degradation of quality of life. One example, as I have said multiple times before, my kids are the first generation (in the developed world) who can't be assured of, given an average amount of effort, a better lifestyle than their parents. That of course is measuring lifestyle as more, and more expensive toys, houses, cars, vacation cottages, planes trains and automobiles. (OK, so I got carried away there)

We need a new economic paradigm for achieving a decent quality of life without gdp growth, but how do we achieve that?
 
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Jul 2015
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chicago
#10
Nonsense. Show credible evidence of that. Your personal opinion does not constitute evidence of anything other than you have a personal opinion on the matter.
That's funny. Some person gives their opinion and I counter it with my opinion. This is not acceptable to you. You are funny. Very funny!
 

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