Is fascism right or left

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A simpler rebuttal would be to just examine how US foreign policy over the 20th century treated leftwing...even social democrat regimes vs. authoritarian fascist states, including some who knowingly took in Nazi war criminals after WWII.
Hey, hey. You may not speak ill of our nazi propaganda machine. They have by far exceeded expectations.
 
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I'm content to let others decide which of us, if either or neither, is a fucking moron and who is an intelligent adult. :)
I'm not replying to anything you post anymore, whether it's about real issues or whether the sun is shining today!
I don't give a crap about who thinks they're smart and who thinks they are an authority on any issue, or even what their political alignment is. If I don't agree with something, I'll say so, regardless of the source, but I make an exception for trolls and assholes who think they're important for some reason-- goodbye!
 
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Whatever you say, pal. Looks like the indoctrination worked on at least one Canadian.
I didn't say that leaders or movements from the left always have the majority's best intentions in mind, or won't lead to bad consequences! My point is that I gave up on the rightwing and unsubstantiated notion that people working for their own self-interests will somehow lead to best results for the community. And right now, you've got a guy in the White House who is serving as a prime example of what goes wrong when you elevate the virtues of selfishness right to the top of the heap!
 
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I didn't say that leaders or movements from the left always have the majority's best intentions in mind, or won't lead to bad consequences! My point is that I gave up on the rightwing and unsubstantiated notion that people working for their own self-interests will somehow lead to best results for the community. And right now, you've got a guy in the White House who is serving as a prime example of what goes wrong when you elevate the virtues of selfishness right to the top of the heap!
Human nature is selfishness. People who are altruistic are the exception, not the rule. Only a fool believes any politician in Washington, DC, regardless of political affiliation, is doing it for the betterment of "all mankind". They're doing it for self-interest. Sure, they may do some good along the way, but if they were altruists, they'd make the same laws they pass apply to themselves, take less pay and live on the same healthcare plan as most Americans.
 
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Hey, hey. You may not speak ill of our nazi propaganda machine. They have by far exceeded expectations.
Indeed! It wouldn't have exceeded expectations if people paid attention for more than 24 hours and kept notes of important past revelations....which reminds me, the big secret of disinformation campaigns is to just not tie different strands of the same lie together. We're seeing it now with the failure to connect the dots between the "New Knowledge" operation that recently made the news and the so called "Integrity Initiative" over in England, run by a shadowy MI-6-connected group which calls itself The Institute For Statecraft.

Many keen observers of propaganda over in the land of UK hold The Guardian especially high on their contempt list, because the supposedly 'liberal' UK newspaper and media site will feature some left-appealing stories while at the same time financing the lousy work of in-house 'journalists' like Luke Harding...one of the world's premier Russiagate promoters! Harding...author of a book mentioned awhile back claiming Proof of Russian interference in the US Election....while only offering testimonies and no hard evidence from sources, made a complete fool of himself when he claimed Paul Manafort had a secret meeting with Julian Assange at the Ecuadoran Embassy in London.

That's a pretty tall tale to post up there without any evidence...and how could there be when Manafort didn't show up on any 24/7 security cameras in the area that were at the embassy and along streets in the vicinity! It was just a story that took over the news in one cycle and immediately disappeared when his editors at the Guardian realized he either made it all up or just accepted from a source without any confirmation or checking with other sources. And yet, he still has a job at the Guardian! Which goes to show that if no one said anything, that story would have just stayed in the pile of Russiagate proof!

And, what I found from British bloggers who follow Corbyn, some of whom are connected with the Momentum Movement is that they haven't forgotten this headline from the Guardian 7 years ago which should have led any honest journalists or analysts to be suspicious of the true sources of all viral social media breaking stories:
Revealed: US spy operation that manipulates social media
Military's 'sock puppet' software creates fake online identities to spread pro-American propaganda


The US military is developing software that will let it secretly manipulate social media sites by using fake online personas to influence internet conversations and spread pro-American propaganda.​
A Californian corporation has been awarded a contract with United States Central Command (Centcom), which oversees US armed operations in the Middle East and Central Asia, to develop what is described as an "online persona management service" that will allow one US serviceman or woman to control up to 10 separate identities based all over the world.​
The project has been likened by web experts to China's attempts to control and restrict free speech on the internet. Critics are likely to complain that it will allow the US military to create a false consensus in online conversations, crowd out unwelcome opinions and smother commentaries or reports that do not correspond with its own objectives.​
The discovery that the US military is developing false online personalities – known to users of social media as "sock puppets" – could also encourage other governments, private companies and non-government organisations to do the same.​
The Centcom contract stipulates that each fake online persona must have a convincing background, history and supporting details, and that up to 50 US-based controllers should be able to operate false identities from their workstations "without fear of being discovered by sophisticated adversaries".​
Centcom spokesman Commander Bill Speaks said: "The technology supports classified blogging activities on foreign-language websites to enable Centcom to counter violent extremist and enemy propaganda outside the US."​
Centcom said it was not targeting any US-based web sites, in English or any other language, and specifically said it was not targeting Facebook or Twitter.
Yeah, we can trust that!
Once developed, the software could allow US service personnel, working around the clock in one location, to respond to emerging online conversations with any number of co-ordinated messages, blogposts, chatroom posts and other interventions. Details of the contract suggest this location would be MacDill air force base near Tampa, Florida, home of US Special Operations Command.​
Centcom's contract requires for each controller the provision of one "virtual private server" located in the United States and others appearing to be outside the US to give the impression the fake personas are real people located in different parts of the world.​
It also calls for "traffic mixing", blending the persona controllers' internet usage with the usage of people outside Centcom in a manner that must offer "excellent cover and powerful deniability".​
The multiple persona contract is thought to have been awarded as part of a programme called Operation Earnest Voice (OEV), which was first developed in Iraq as a psychological warfare weapon against the online presence of al-Qaida supporters and others ranged against coalition forces. Since then, OEV is reported to have expanded into a $200m programme and is thought to have been used against jihadists across Pakistan, Afghanistan and the Middle East.​
OEV is seen by senior US commanders as a vital counter-terrorism and counter-radicalisation programme. In evidence to the US Senate's armed services committee last year, General David Petraeus, then commander of Centcom, described the operation as an effort to "counter extremist ideology and propaganda and to ensure that credible voices in the region are heard". He said the US military's objective was to be "first with the truth".​
This month Petraeus's successor, General James Mattis, told the same committee that OEV "supports all activities associated with degrading the enemy narrative, including web engagement and web-based product distribution capabilities".​
Centcom confirmed that the $2.76m contract was awarded to Ntrepid, a newly formed corporation registered in Los Angeles. It would not disclose whether the multiple persona project is already in operation or discuss any related contracts.​
Add that to Ed Snowden's revelation back when he first went awol and landed in Hong Kong that he and any other techie working for the same NSA contractor could create a mirror site anywhere in the world and make it appear as the source for any purpose, and if anything can be believed today it demands a high level of proof before taken at face value or repeated endlessly by allied sources!
 
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Revealed: US spy operation that manipulates social media
Military's 'sock puppet' software creates fake online identities to spread pro-American propaganda


The US military is developing software that will let it secretly manipulate social media sites by using fake online personas to influence internet conversations and spread pro-American propaganda....​
Ahhh, now you have an excuse the next time someone complains about you. "It was CENTCOM!!!! Not my fault!" :)

Actually, that's pretty cool tech and an appropriate response to enemy attacks on the US as in the 2016 election.

"Centcom spokesman Commander Bill Speaks said: "The technology supports classified blogging activities on foreign-language websites to enable Centcom to counter violent extremist and enemy propaganda outside the US."

He said none of the interventions would be in English, as it would be unlawful to "address US audiences" with such technology, and any English-language use of social media by Centcom was always clearly attributed. The languages in which the interventions are conducted include Arabic, Farsi, Urdu and Pashto.

Centcom said it was not targeting any US-based web sites, in English or any other language, and specifically said it was not targeting Facebook or Twitter."
 

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