Is free college possible?

Jun 2018
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It is not free the taxpayer is paying cost... FREE MEANS WITHOUT COST..
Not Canadian taxpayers obviously. Free means the student doesn't have to pay for tuition. Of course education costs money to the german taxpayer. They get in return people, who can work with the german business easier. Costs some time bring benefits you know.

You cons get sometimes so tangled up in your slogans, you can't think.
 
Dec 2018
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No, free college is not possible. It will have to be paid for with taxes that everyone pays. A lot better investment than invading and occupying countries, IMO.

But no, free college is not possible. If you want to talk about taxpayer-funded education, yes- that is possible.
You clearly didn't read the article
 
Dec 2018
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There is no such thing as free college.

The word “free” in the context of "free college" is an idiomatic expression regarding something without a cost. The cost would be an increase in taxes that each person will pay for the rest of their life.

The easy access to loans, and especially free tuition, would further perpetuate the "every body gets a trophey" mentality that is the scourge of our society. Nothing earned is nothing of value and cannot be respected. As inane and anti-education as colleges are today, the easy access numbs the impetus of students to push back vis-a-vis if they had to earn that privilege in real time.

I could see a better chance of the US affording free college if the students who are too sensitive to be exposed to opposing views were expelled, this would lead to the majority of professors and administrators justifiably out of a job. Eliminating Title IX. Eliminating anything related to diversity, inclusion, gender, sex race, etc. But it will not be free, just less costly to taxpayers.
You clearly didn't read the article
 
Dec 2018
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Yes,

1. Professors work for no salary or benefits
2. Land is given without cost to the colleges
3. Buildings are built without cost for materials, labor, transportation of materials, engineers plans for the building etc. is done at no charge
4. Campus Security works for no salary or beneifits
5. Presidents and Directors work for no salary or benefits
6. Roads to and from and throughout the campus are build without private or public funds, and the builders work for no salary or benefits
7. Food Service and Food for the students are supplied without cost, and food service workers work for no salary and benefits.
8. Transportaton of the food is at no cost
9 there are 100s of other line items that are a financial cost would also have to be supplied at no cost and the employees that are needed to offer the services work for no salary or benefits.
You clearly didn't read the article
 
Jul 2018
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This is an interesting idea from Andrew Sorkin at the NYT

Flipping the Economics of Paying for Education, Because They’re Upside Down

Instead of entering the job market with a mound of debt, you get a free education and pay back a percentage of your salary.

I don't know if I agree with this, but it's an interesting concept to consider.
I have been preaching a variation of this for decades.

Business needs to train their own. So yes, kids should go to school while business in America pays. Period.

No paying back.

BTW, your thread cap is very misleading. There is no free anything anywhere. It's "who" should pay and it ain't the 21 year old starting out.
 
Dec 2018
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I have been preaching a variation of this for decades.

Business needs to train their own. So yes, kids should go to school while business in America pays. Period.

No paying back.

BTW, your thread cap is very misleading. There is no free anything anywhere. It's "who" should pay and it ain't the 21 year old starting out.
HOLY SHIT SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY READ THE ARTICLE!
 
Jul 2018
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The feds created grants to ensure that "everyone" could get into college and 1st protected then assumed the loans that covered the costs. This "free money" is an incentive for schools to raise their prices to meet the available monies. This also caused an increase in student population causing the schools to increase infrastructure. In increasing infrastructure they also need to create a more enticing environment for perspective students. This creates a wider range of "classes" Fast forward just a few decades we now have majors in gender studys, personal trainers and a number of other silly things. The job market is now flooded w/ degrees, watering them down and making a BA basically worthless. Its a ridiculous cycle aimed at extracting wealth from the youth before they even have a chance to even enter into the job market. It is indentured servitude IMO.

a lot of "right" in this post.
 
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Dec 2017
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Is free college possible?

Not only is it possible, we already have it.

I have discussed this exact topic at some length multiple times in the past on DTT, without going back into my content history is, the cliff-notes are:

-Pell Grants & State Grants cover full cost of Community College
-Some Community College programs are free due to private charity grants from organizations, such as the National Science Foundation
-Companies like McDonald's pay employees $2500 for College if they work 15 or more hours per week, which covers full cost of CC + left-over cash
-Federal loans are granted in the amount of $6000 per semester, no co-signer required
-Hence, everyone has the opportunity to go to College for free, and not even have to work or only 15 hours a week to do so and support a comfortable living standard
 
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