Is it constitutional for government or law enforcement agents to use or be in possession of deadly force instruments?

Jun 2012
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Barsoom
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I thought the law was similar to the UK where the police have no more right to use deadly force than the general public.
Take for example the Michael Brown shooting. The state law allows law enforcement to shoot someone on the back if they are running, are armed, and could potentially kill civilians if they get away. A civilian does not have that protect.

Regarding qualified immunity, that covers all government employees while carrying out their duties. It is a bad doctrine in my opinion.
 
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Apr 2015
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Take for example the Michael Brown shooting. The state law allows law enforcement to shoot someone on the back if they are running, are armed, and could potentially kill civilians if they get away. A civilian does not have that protect.
Under UK law under the laws of self defence it is permitted to shoot an armed person in the back if the person shooting thinks there is a real danger to others if he doesn't do so.

Regarding qualified immunity, that covers all government employees while carrying out their duties. It is a bad doctrine in my opinion.
Government employees don't have that protection in the UK.
 
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Under UK law under the laws of self defence it is permitted to shoot an armed person in the back if the person shooting thinks there is a real danger to others if he doesn't do so.

Government employees don't have that protection in the UK.
Those laws will vary state to state here.
 
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In the United States, state police power comes from the Tenth Amendment to theConstitution, which gives states the rights and powers "not delegated to the United States." States are thus granted the power to establish and enforce laws protecting the welfare, safety, and health of the public.
 
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the uk has strict gun laws, you expect american police to do their jobs unarmed in this culture
Indeed it would be unreasonable for US police to be routinely unarmed, but that wasn't the point l was trying to make. l was pointing out that societies can make different decisions on how the authorities maintain order, in the UK we have decided that strict gun laws and a police force routinely unarmed in exchange is the method for us.
 
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Indeed it would be unreasonable for US police to be routinely unarmed, but that wasn't the point l was trying to make. l was pointing out that societies can make different decisions on how the authorities maintain order, in the UK we have decided that strict gun laws and a police force routinely unarmed in exchange is the method for us.
that is a valid point, my sister lives in london, she says there are lots of stabbing but scoofs at the idea that somehow the british have more violence that we do.. if you visit first hand you can see the difference the giun laws make to society, new york for a month or two had a lower homicide rate than london but what eople forget is new york has very strict gun laws too. almost as strict as the uk