Is randomness real?

Nov 2012
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#92
No. Predictions in this realm are mathematically based.
Can everyone perceive all mathematics? Can anyone?

If the pattern is every third digit of the value of pie in base 8, then maybe somebody with enuf time or computing power could figure that out, but to everyone else it looks random. Therefore point of view and mental ability.
 
Apr 2013
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#93
Can everyone perceive all mathematics? Can anyone?

If the pattern is every third digit of the value of pie in base 8, then maybe somebody with enuf time or computing power could figure that out, but to everyone else it looks random. Therefore point of view and mental ability.
The weakness of man's mind and/of of computers are not relevant to the concept of randomness.

And this is what you seem to be missing. If by some incredibly improbable case the value of pi in base 8 has a pattern, all that would do is show that the value of pi in base 8 is not random. But many, many things still are.
 
Jul 2008
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#94
The weakness of man's mind and/of of computers are not relevant to the concept of randomness.

And this is what you seem to be missing. If by some incredibly improbable case the value of pi in base 8 has a pattern, all that would do is show that the value of pi in base 8 is not random. But many, many things still are.
Once again, it has been mathematically PROVEN that Pi is an irrational number. By definition an irrational number is one where the digits making it up have no pattern and do not repeat. It also doesn’t matter what base you use to express the number. An irrational number is an irrational number.
 
Apr 2013
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#95
Once again, it has been mathematically PROVEN that Pi is an irrational number. By definition an irrational number is one where the digits making it up have no pattern and do not repeat. It also doesn’t matter what base you use to express the number. An irrational number is an irrational number.
I know, and he was told that before but seems incapable of accepting facts, so I thought I'd try another tact.
 
Nov 2012
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#96
Once again, it has been mathematically PROVEN that Pi is an irrational number. By definition an irrational number is one where the digits making it up have no pattern and do not repeat. It also doesn’t matter what base you use to express the number. An irrational number is an irrational number.
You guys are totally off the point. The value of pi while irrational is not random. It is a computable number series. Therefore any series that reflects the value of those digits is not random.
 
Nov 2012
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#97
The weakness of man's mind and/of of computers are not relevant to the concept of randomness.

And this is what you seem to be missing. If by some incredibly improbable case the value of pi in base 8 has a pattern, all that would do is show that the value of pi in base 8 is not random. But many, many things still are.
The point you are either missing or ignoring is a series of numbers can appear random and not be random.
 

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