Is this what happens when a culture dies?

Sep 2018
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#11
its no fad, the phenomena has been documented for centuries. and it certainly isnt something one would do for fun or attention or any other reason, transition, as it is called, is an incredibly difficult process.


true, there are many questions still wanting answers. but thats true for any phenomena in any science, its a meaningless comment. how the heart beats isnt settled science either, but we do know a certain amount, and that certain amount allows us the capacity to intervene when it doesnt beat properly. nothing is proven, thats the cornerstone of science, but many things are known. stephen jay gould had a nice comment, that it gets to the point when there is enough information, from enough trustworthy sources, that it would be perverse to withold conditional agreement.

regarding the transgender phenomena, we are probably at that point. enough is known to say it is a congenital condition where the gender defining process that affected the foetal brain and body were different. enough is known to say that surgical correction of the physical body is effective and appropriate treatment. enough is known to say that simply dismissing transgendered people as insane/ attention whores/ damaged, is wrong.
it is a phenomenon that has existsed for thousands of years, agreed what has not been in existence for that long is the number of people decided they are trangender far above "normal' rates, it is a fucking fad and a sick and harmful one at that, when i was youngwe were taught to tolerate things like this, and thats fine, today these things have infected the made stream and people are being bulllied into embracing it as normal it isnt normal these people are not normal they re sick and they need help your solution is like deciding to treat heroin addiction with free oxy cotin for life.. not really a solution, your pouring napalm on a camp fire
 
Oct 2010
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#12
sometimes things go too far.

Explained: The 33 Gender Identities Recognised By The Australian Sex Survey


Woman: A person born as a female, and who identifies as female.
Man: A person born as a male, and who identifies as a male.
Transgender Man: A person who was assigned female at birth, but now identifies as a man. Some trans people choose to undergo gender reassignment surgery. Others prefer not to, but still identify as a different gender.
Transgender Woman: A person who was assigned male at birth, but who identifies as a woman. As above, some trans people choose to undergo gender reassignment surgery. Others prefer not to, but still identify as a different gender.
Trans person: This can mean transsexual or transgender. A transsexual is a person who emotionally and psychologically feels that they belong to the opposite sex.
Trans Man: A trans man is someone who was assigned female at birth, but now identifies as a man.
Trans Woman: A person who was assigned male at birth, but who identifies as a woman
Female to Male: This term is often abbreviated to ‘FTM’ and refers to a transsexual or a transgender man.
Male to Female: This term is often abbreviated to ‘FTM’ and refers to a transsexual or a transgender female.
Transsexual: A person who emotionally and psychologically feels that they belong to the opposite sex. Transsexuals are people who transition from one sex to another, usually through dress, hormone therapy, etc.
Cisgender: A person who identifies with the gender of which they were born. For example, if someone is born as a female and identifies as a woman.
Cis Female: Cis is short for cisgender. So a cisgender female is a female who identifies as a woman.
Cis Male: Cis is short for cisgender. A cisgender male is a male who identifies as a man.
Gender Non-Conforming: A person who does not identify with either the male of female genders.
None Gender: A person who does not identify with any gender in particular.
Non-Binary: A person who does not identify entirely with either the female or male genders. They may identify somewhere on a spectrum.
Neutrois: Neutrois is a non-binary gender identity which is considered to be a neutral or null gender.
Genderfluid: A person who does not identify entirely with either the female or male genders. Genderqueer: An overarching term used to describe people who do not identify exclusively as either male or female.
Demigender: This term, (demi means half) is an umbrella term for nonbinary gender identities that have a partial connection to a certain gender.
Demigirl: A person (can also be called a demiwoman or a demifemale) who identifies partially with being a woman or has feminine characteristics. They may have been assigned female as birth, but they could also have been born as a male.
Demiboy: A person (can also be called a demiman or demimale) who identifies partially with being a man or masculine characteristics. They may have been assigned male at birth, but they could also have been born as a female.
Agender: This literally means ‘without gender’, so a person who doesn’t identify with any gender.
Intergender: Intergender people have a gender identity that is in the middle between the binary genders of female and male, and may be a mix of both.
Intersex: A person who is born with the reproductive anatomy of both a man and a woman. For example, they might appear to be female on the outside, but have mostly male-typical anatomy on the inside. These people were previously referred to as hermaphrodites, but that term is considered rude and outdated.
Pangender: A person who identifies as more than one gender.
Poligender: Translates to ‘many genders’. A person who identifies as more than one gender.
Omnigender: Translates to ‘all genders’. A person who identifies as more than one gender.
Bigender: Translates to ‘two genders’. A person who identifies as both male and female genders. Some bigender people have two distinct male and female personas.
Androgyne: A person who doesn’t identify with either gender. They are both feminine and masculine.
Androgyny: The combination of masculine and feminine characteristics. Androgyny can apply to many things - someone’s gender identity, sexual identity, and even fashion.
Third Gender: People who identify as neither a man nor a woman. Some cultures refer to some of their people by a third gender. For example, in Samoafa’afafines are male at birth, but if a family had more boys than girls and needed more women to help with housework, they male children would be raised as a fa’afafine.
Trigender: Translates to three genders. A person who shifts between the male, female and third genders.

Explained: The 33 Gender Identities Recognised By The Australian Sex Survey
Well, when we decided to be a man, we decided not to be all those other versions, right?
 
Dec 2018
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#13
Am I the only one confused by two conflicting positions held by, some, on the right?

1. Transgender is a mental illness and we should treat them like anyone else with a mental illness
2. People are gay because they choose to be. No one is actually born gay

No, being gay and being transgender are not the same thing. But how can one argument be "you're born this way" and the next be "you're not born this way"?
 
Sep 2018
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1,083
cleveland ohio
#14
Am I the only one confused by two conflicting positions held by, some, on the right?

1. Transgender is a mental illness and we should treat them like anyone else with a mental illness
2. People are gay because they choose to be. No one is actually born gay

No, being gay and being transgender are not the same thing. But how can one argument be "you're born this way" and the next be "you're not born this way"?
it is far more complicated than the left or right want to admit, look at the science first and then draw a conclusion left and right have their view and then go looking for evidence to prove it.. thats not how you find the truth.. that how you fabricate a reality
 
Mar 2008
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australia
#15
it is a phenomenon that has existsed for thousands of years, agreed what has not been in existence for that long is the number of people decided they are trangender far above "normal' rates, it is a fucking fad and a sick and harmful one at that, when i was youngwe were taught to tolerate things like this, and thats fine, today these things have infected the made stream and people are being bulllied into embracing it as normal it isnt normal these people are not normal they re sick and they need help your solution is like deciding to treat heroin addiction with free oxy cotin for life.. not really a solution, your pouring napalm on a camp fire
it has happened for ever, and it has also generally been something that has attracted abuse, stigma, violence, ostracism, its something that many people simply hide because its too hard coming out (or they suicide). today, in the west, that isnt the case, and more people are coming out than before. i agree there is a bit of a 'me too' affect where some people try on being trans for a while, maybe they think its cool, or it does get attention, but those people dont go on to hormones and surgery, they eventually grow up.

trans people are not sick in the sense that they are insane or damaged, they are affected by a congenital problem regarding the development of their bodies. they do need treatment, they need the body they should have had. given todays technologies, that means hormones and surgery.

they do not need psychiatric treatment to convince them they are the other gender. to use this approach is to misunderstand the problem.

and, by the way, giving free opioids to heroin addicts is a really good way of managing heroin addiction. most countries operate an opioid substitution program doing exactly that. usually they use methadone or buprenorphine, but oxycontin would work too.
 
Mar 2008
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australia
#18
Yes, demigirl did catch my eye. So many choices!!

Some of the descriptions seemed to be the same.
the list was generated by a survey, i suspect they just asked "what term best describes your gender?" and this was the list of all possible answers. some of them seem to be the same, but if you got the "pangender" "poligender" and "omnigender" people together they would probably agree that their identity was the same and eventually agree on a single term. what they dont say is that 99% of the answers were "male" or "female". most of the other responses only applied to a tiny number of people. i suspect some of them only applied to a single individual.
 
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