It's time to define the unborn

Feb 2019
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here and there
#1
With the recent ruling in Alabama regarding abortion, and the eventual path towards SCOTUS to settle the issue, the obvious thing to do is to define what exactly the unborn is, something Roe vs. Wade shied away from doing. After all, the reason blacks were mistreated under the Constitution was because they were not identified as equals, they were 3/5 a human being.

There are but two possibilities from my vantage point.

1. They are a parasite defined as an organism living in, with, or on another organism in parasitism

2. Or they are a human being.

Which camp do you fall in?
 
Nov 2012
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nirvana
#3
With the recent ruling in Alabama regarding abortion, and the eventual path towards SCOTUS to settle the issue, the obvious thing to do is to define what exactly the unborn is, something Roe vs. Wade shied away from doing. After all, the reason blacks were mistreated under the Constitution was because they were not identified as equals, they were 3/5 a human being.

There are but two possibilities from my vantage point.

1. They are a parasite defined as an organism living in, with, or on another organism in parasitism

2. Or they are a human being.

Which camp do you fall in?

The issue has been settled. A woman has the right to an abortion.

Self righteous hypocritical assholes, who it’s none of their business, don’t have a say in the matter.

What needs further settling for you?
 
Feb 2019
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294
here and there
#4
The issue has been settled. A woman has the right to an abortion.

Self righteous hypocritical assholes, who it’s none of their business, don’t have a say in the matter.

What needs further settling for you?
So in the deep south you would have said that the slave owner has the right to their own property, so go screw yourself on the issue of defining the personhood of the slave.

Very well
 
Jul 2008
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Virginia Beach, VA
#6
With the recent ruling in Alabama regarding abortion, and the eventual path towards SCOTUS to settle the issue, the obvious thing to do is to define what exactly the unborn is, something Roe vs. Wade shied away from doing. After all, the reason blacks were mistreated under the Constitution was because they were not identified as equals, they were 3/5 a human being.

There are but two possibilities from my vantage point.

1. They are a parasite defined as an organism living in, with, or on another organism in parasitism

2. Or they are a human being.

Which camp do you fall in?
The issue has already been decided. Prior to the point where the fetus can live for an extended period outside of the womb it is not a human being therefore the rights of the mother take precedence.

This has NOTHING to do with the treatment of black people who were mistreated because of their place of origin and the color of their skin. It had nothing to do on whether they were a human being (they obviously were). To try and compare the two is a denigration of every African American who was held as a slave (or died due to the slave trade)
 
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Dec 2018
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Unionville Indiana
#7
So in the deep south you would have said that the slave owner has the right to their own property, so go screw yourself on the issue of defining the personhood of the slave.

Very well
On the contrary, it was the slave owning class, in the old South, who suffered financially when Black women aborted their fetuses.

... by consciously avoiding pregnancy or through gynecological resistance, black women reclaimed their own bodies, frustrated the planters' pro-natalist policies, and in turn defied white male constructions of their sexuality. Whether swallowing abortifacients such as calomel and turpentine or chewing on natural contraceptives like cotton roots or okra, slave women wove contraception and miscarriages through the dark fabric of slave oppositional culture. ...

Women resisted reproduction to avoid bringing children into slavery, and to deprive their owners of future property and profit. "In addition to the labor they provided, slaves were a profitable investment: Their prices rose steadily throughout the antebellum era, as did the return that slave owners could expect when slaves reproduced." -- Perrin, Liese M. "Resisting Reproduction: Reconsidering Slave Contraception in the Old South," Journal of American Studies 35, no. 2 (August 2001): 255.
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None of this is really surprising. Why would conscientious and compassionate black women, on the plantation, want to bring a child into a horrific world of perpetual hard labor, punishment, torture, and squalor to fill the coffers of "Old Master".
 
Oct 2010
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Colorado
#8
With the recent ruling in Alabama regarding abortion, and the eventual path towards SCOTUS to settle the issue, the obvious thing to do is to define what exactly the unborn is, something Roe vs. Wade shied away from doing. After all, the reason blacks were mistreated under the Constitution was because they were not identified as equals, they were 3/5 a human being.

There are but two possibilities from my vantage point.

1. They are a parasite defined as an organism living in, with, or on another organism in parasitism

2. Or they are a human being.

Which camp do you fall in?
The issue of abortion is settled.

If you don't want an abortion, no one is forcing you to have one.

If you want an abortion, no one should be able to deny your having one.

But in the latter case, folks who think like you do want to impose your will on others.
 
May 2019
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55
USA
#9
The issue has already been decided. Prior to the point where the fetus can live for an extended period outside of the womb it is not a human being therefore the rights of the mother take precedence.

This has NOTHING to do with the treatment of black people who were mistreated because of their place of origin and the color of their skin. It had nothing to do on whether they were a human being (they obviously were). To try and compare the two is a denigration of every African American who was held as a slave (or died due to the slave trade)
Now tell me where I am wrong. But did New York not just pass a bill that gives the right to have an abortion at any stage of the pregnancy?
 
Dec 2018
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Unionville Indiana
#10
With the recent ruling in Alabama regarding abortion, and the eventual path towards SCOTUS to settle the issue, the obvious thing to do is to define what exactly the unborn is, something Roe vs. Wade shied away from doing. After all, the reason blacks were mistreated under the Constitution was because they were not identified as equals, they were 3/5 a human being.

There are but two possibilities from my vantage point.

1. They are a parasite defined as an organism living in, with, or on another organism in parasitism

2. Or they are a human being.

Which camp do you fall in?
False dilemma or fallacy of false choice. (When only two choices are presented yet more exist, or a spectrum of possible choices exists between two extremes. False dilemmas are usually characterized by “either this or that” language, but can also be characterized by omissions of choices.)
 

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