JOBS: Trump Fails Again

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The president's trade wars are creating a scenario similar to 2016.
For all the debate on whether the U.S. is headed for a recession there’s plenty of evidence that corners of the economy—may already have tumbled into one.

After two boom years the picture has changed for America’s factories. Battered by rising uncertainty and the damper it has put on capital expenditures, slowing export markets, a stronger dollar, and higher input costs due to tariffs, U.S. manufacturers are making less than they did a year ago.
From Bloomberg:
The moment usually comes during Greg Petras’s commute through the rolling hills and cornfields of southern Wisconsin. Somewhere between his home near Madison and the factory he runs on the edge of the small town of Brodhead, the news will turn to the trade wars and Donald Trump will again claim that China is bearing the cost of his tariffs. That’s when Petras loses it.
“It’s just an outright lie, and he knows it,” says Petras, president of Kuhn North America, which employs some 600 people at its farm-equipment factory in Wisconsin. For Kuhn, Trump’s trade war has produced a toxic mix of rising costs and falling revenues. “You’re slamming your fist on the steering wheel and saying ‘Why would you tell people this?’”

About 250 Kuhn employees spent the Labor Day holiday caught in a two-week furlough, and they’re facing another in early October. A shrinking order book means Kuhn is cutting costs and slashing production as Petras and his managers peer out at a U.S. economy that looks far bleaker from the swing-state heartland than it does in either the White House or on Wall Street.
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The trade wars have helped flip one vote. Petras, a 56-year-old lifelong Republican, says he had reservations but voted for Trump in 2016. “I defaulted to the Republican ticket thinking pro-business,” he says. But he won’t in 2020. Trump has turned him into an independent, he says, and he’s now expecting to vote for a Democrat.

There's much more here: Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
 
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The president's trade wars are creating a scenario similar to 2016.
For all the debate on whether the U.S. is headed for a recession there’s plenty of evidence that corners of the economy—may already have tumbled into one.

After two boom years the picture has changed for America’s factories. Battered by rising uncertainty and the damper it has put on capital expenditures, slowing export markets, a stronger dollar, and higher input costs due to tariffs, U.S. manufacturers are making less than they did a year ago.
From Bloomberg:
The moment usually comes during Greg Petras’s commute through the rolling hills and cornfields of southern Wisconsin. Somewhere between his home near Madison and the factory he runs on the edge of the small town of Brodhead, the news will turn to the trade wars and Donald Trump will again claim that China is bearing the cost of his tariffs. That’s when Petras loses it.
“It’s just an outright lie, and he knows it,” says Petras, president of Kuhn North America, which employs some 600 people at its farm-equipment factory in Wisconsin. For Kuhn, Trump’s trade war has produced a toxic mix of rising costs and falling revenues. “You’re slamming your fist on the steering wheel and saying ‘Why would you tell people this?’”

About 250 Kuhn employees spent the Labor Day holiday caught in a two-week furlough, and they’re facing another in early October. A shrinking order book means Kuhn is cutting costs and slashing production as Petras and his managers peer out at a U.S. economy that looks far bleaker from the swing-state heartland than it does in either the White House or on Wall Street.
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The trade wars have helped flip one vote. Petras, a 56-year-old lifelong Republican, says he had reservations but voted for Trump in 2016. “I defaulted to the Republican ticket thinking pro-business,” he says. But he won’t in 2020. Trump has turned him into an independent, he says, and he’s now expecting to vote for a Democrat.

There's much more here: Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

This will be a running theme next year. A lot of Republicans and vote for the Democrat. The main reason being it is their best way to save the party. By getting rid of Trump, they can campaign on reclaiming the high ground for 2024.
 
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This will be a running theme next year. A lot of Republicans and vote for the Democrat. The main reason being it is their best way to save the party. By getting rid of Trump, they can campaign on reclaiming the high ground for 2024.
At this rate maybe we don't have to worry about a candidate just to BEAT TRUMP.
I have a feeling Trump will BEAT himself.
 
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This will be a running theme next year. A lot of Republicans and vote for the Democrat. The main reason being it is their best way to save the party. By getting rid of Trump, they can campaign on reclaiming the high ground for 2024.
You're grasping at straws. (plastic straws I might add) Go ahead and hang your hat on the very small group of old line die hards' in the party. You might need an excuse after 2020.
 
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Which explains his prejudicial article. He's not an independent if he's already declare he'll vote Democrat.
Are you so closed minded that you'll only listen to people who will only vote for Trump?
Just imagine if everybody behaved as you and refused to address concerns of anybody who didn't vote the way they wanted. Or maybe that's the Republican point under Trump in the first place...

Trump's approval rating has been consistently below 50% for a long time. His disapproval rating has been consistently above 50% for years.
RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval
No wonder you (and some other Republicans) are in an echo chamber and refuse to hear the voices of the majority of America.


Out of curiosity, do you have one iota of TOPICAL RESPONSE?
You haven't even addressed whether the points made are true or false in your opinion. You simply refused to address them solely because the guy isn't voting for Trump.
 
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Are you so closed minded that you'll only listen to people who will only vote for Trump?
Just imagine if everybody behaved as you and refused to address concerns of anybody who didn't vote the way they wanted. Or maybe that's the Republican point under Trump in the first place...

Trump's approval rating has been consistently below 50% for a long time. His disapproval rating has been consistently above 50% for years.
RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval
No wonder you (and some other Republicans) are in an echo chamber and refuse to hear the voices of the majority of America.


Out of curiosity, do you have one iota of TOPICAL RESPONSE?
You haven't even addressed whether the points made are true or false in your opinion. You simply refused to address them solely because the guy isn't voting for Trump.
exactly. Trump's not a conservative, or even representative of what the Republican party used to be.

I still have a place in my heart for the old Republican party, because I used to be a Republican. it's gone now.

Amash nails it.

 
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This will be a running theme next year. A lot of Republicans and vote for the Democrat. The main reason being it is their best way to save the party. By getting rid of Trump, they can campaign on reclaiming the high ground for 2024.
AND let's start with the STUPID GOP canceling their primaries. It's pretty obvious by now that even though we KNOW many of them do NOT approve of Trump, they'll shoot themselves in the foot before they will encourage the party to give Trump some competition.
Put him on a debate stage with Sanford, Weld and Walsh. Let them tear him apart, piece by piece, and let the American people see the real Donald Trump.
The GOP has no higher ground. They certainly can't sink much lower, having relinquished their talking points one by one:
Fiscal Responsibility, Family Values, JOBS, and an unstable economy. The stable genius has failed them miserably...and they KNOW IT. They just won't admit it.
 
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exactly. Trump's not a conservative, or even representative of what the Republican party used to be.

I still have a place in my heart for the old Republican party, because I used to be a Republican. it's gone now.
A shit storm from the left calling for an uncontrolled slide into socialism/communism has required a shit storm from the right. His name is Trump.

I don't see anyone in the Democrat camp who are the Democrats I followed in the 60s. The Democrat party changed so radically that I had to leave. I have no place fr the old Dems anymore. They failed to take their party back like they tried to tell us they were going to do. All we're seeing today is a replay of what the Dems did in the 60s n the Republican party. What I see is a strong agreement in the Republican party now that was not in evidence in the Dems when they flipped.
Not exactly on topic but my move out of Calif in 2002 and traveling the country and settling in what's considered a swing state has really opened my eyes to the reality of the true political nature of the country.
 
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AND let's start with the STUPID GOP canceling their primaries. It's pretty obvious by now that even though we KNOW many of them do NOT approve of Trump, they'll shoot themselves in the foot before they will encourage the party to give Trump some competition.
Put him on a debate stage with Sanford, Weld and Walsh. Let them tear him apart, piece by piece, and let the American people see the real Donald Trump.
The GOP has no higher ground. They certainly can't sink much lower, having relinquished their talking points one by one:
Fiscal Responsibility, Family Values, JOBS, and an unstable economy. The stable genius has failed them miserably...and they KNOW IT. They just won't admit it.
There's nothing more pathetic than a disgruntled dreamer Clara and you've become the poster child for dreams impossible.