JOBS: Trump Fails Again

Dec 2012
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#31
Your question has been answered repeatedly now.
You see pink elephants flying because you are delusional.
You claim people are happy over American suffering because you are delusional.

I challenge you to exactly quote anybody in this thread who has expressed happiness over American people suffering.
You can't do it. Just like you can't show us a picture of the pink elephants you think are flying.

The fact that you refuse to acknowledge this simple answer is further proof of your delusional state.
So, if the question brings into focus the mindset of Liberals, it becomes delusional? Liberals on this site offer it daily in the manner in which they post their articles attacking Trump. Any objective look at the problem can reach no other conclusion.
 
Nov 2005
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#32
So, if the question brings into focus the mindset of Liberals, it becomes delusional?
You have serious reading comprehension problems. I did not say that.

I am clearly saying that you thinking that liberals on this thread are taking joy in the problems of Americans is delusional.
I challenged you to QUOTE ANY LIBERAL who you claim is taking pleasure in American employment problems, but you are failing to do so.


Liberals on this site offer it daily in the manner in which they post their articles attacking Trump. Any objective look at the problem can reach no other conclusion.
Now you are clearly moving the goal-posts from talking about fellow Americans suffering into the territory of "attacking Trump".
Those are two entirely separate issues.

Do you regularly get so easily confused and suddenly blur such clearly different issues together?

For example, if a liberal were to say "I like attacking Trump", do you somehow think that means that the hypothetical liberal somehow enjoys people being unemployed?
Are you capable of comprehending the difference?


As I have stated for other posters in the past, there is a recurring trend where some people starting their statements with "I guess" or "It seems that" then what follows is invariably NOT what is actually going on.

Beyond that, nothing you said in that post had any actual relation to what I actually said in the post from me that you quoted.
 
May 2018
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#33
You have serious reading comprehension problems. I did not say that.

I am clearly saying that you thinking that liberals on this thread are taking joy in the problems of Americans is delusional.
I challenged you to QUOTE ANY LIBERAL who you claim is taking pleasure in American employment problems, but you are failing to do so.



Now you are clearly moving the goal-posts from talking about fellow Americans suffering into the territory of "attacking Trump".
Those are two entirely separate issues.

Do you regularly get so easily confused and suddenly blur such clearly different issues together?

For example, if a liberal were to say "I like attacking Trump", do you somehow think that means that the hypothetical liberal somehow enjoys people being unemployed?
Are you capable of comprehending the difference?



As I have stated for other posters in the past, there is a recurring trend where some people starting their statements with "I guess" or "It seems that" then what follows is invariably NOT what is actually going on.

Beyond that, nothing you said in that post had any actual relation to what I actually said in the post from me that you quoted.
Exactly. It seems to me that none of us are happy to see what is happening to the US as a result of Trump being president. We are all extremely unhappy about it. We're tired of it. This president should have been impeached a long time ago, any other president would have been.
 
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Nov 2012
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#34
The president's trade wars are creating a scenario similar to 2016.
For all the debate on whether the U.S. is headed for a recession there’s plenty of evidence that corners of the economy—may already have tumbled into one.

After two boom years the picture has changed for America’s factories. Battered by rising uncertainty and the damper it has put on capital expenditures, slowing export markets, a stronger dollar, and higher input costs due to tariffs, U.S. manufacturers are making less than they did a year ago.
From Bloomberg:
The moment usually comes during Greg Petras’s commute through the rolling hills and cornfields of southern Wisconsin. Somewhere between his home near Madison and the factory he runs on the edge of the small town of Brodhead, the news will turn to the trade wars and Donald Trump will again claim that China is bearing the cost of his tariffs. That’s when Petras loses it.
“It’s just an outright lie, and he knows it,” says Petras, president of Kuhn North America, which employs some 600 people at its farm-equipment factory in Wisconsin. For Kuhn, Trump’s trade war has produced a toxic mix of rising costs and falling revenues. “You’re slamming your fist on the steering wheel and saying ‘Why would you tell people this?’”

About 250 Kuhn employees spent the Labor Day holiday caught in a two-week furlough, and they’re facing another in early October. A shrinking order book means Kuhn is cutting costs and slashing production as Petras and his managers peer out at a U.S. economy that looks far bleaker from the swing-state heartland than it does in either the White House or on Wall Street.
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The trade wars have helped flip one vote. Petras, a 56-year-old lifelong Republican, says he had reservations but voted for Trump in 2016. “I defaulted to the Republican ticket thinking pro-business,” he says. But he won’t in 2020. Trump has turned him into an independent, he says, and he’s now expecting to vote for a Democrat.

There's much more here: Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
Trump has one down quarter but his manufacturing activity is ~3 fold that of Obama.. After Obama declared RECOVERY manufacturing activity DECLINE FOR over 20 months, it began to increase THE 4TH QUATER of 2016.. (What happened in the 4th Quarter of 2016.. TRUMP WAS ELECTED AND PROMISED DEREGULATION AND TAX CUTS.)

Obamanomics (Reember 3 Quarter of 2010 Obama touted Recovery.) his Recovery lost from 10% to -5% Trump brought manufacturing activity from Obamas -5% to +7% ROFLMBO

your data not mine.
 
Dec 2015
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#35
Trump has one down quarter but his manufacturing activity is ~3 fold that of Obama.. After Obama declared RECOVERY manufacturing activity DECLINE FOR over 20 months, it began to increase THE 4TH QUATER of 2016.. (What happened in the 4th Quarter of 2016.. TRUMP WAS ELECTED AND PROMISED DEREGULATION AND TAX CUTS.)

Obamanomics (Reember 3 Quarter of 2010 Obama touted Recovery.) his Recovery lost from 10% to -5% Trump brought manufacturing activity from Obamas -5% to +7% ROFLMBO

your data not mine.
Your mistakes are ALWAYS the same. Do you ever learn and correct your arguments? NO you don't. You cannot compare the economy Obama inherited from Bush to the economy Trump inherited from Obama. You have been told this dozens of times. You have been warned, corrected, schooled and plied with graphs, charts, statistics, quotes, and links.
The OP states very clearly that Trump's trade wars have impacted certain corners of our economy--manufacturing in some states--like Wisconsin and Pennsylvania--states that Trump promised to help.
If you want to respond, then respond TO THE THREAD topic ONLY: Manufacturing in 2019--in states that are furloughing their employees because of Trump's trade wars. That's it.
I sincerely doubt if you are capable of THAT--and only THAT--but I guess we'll find out.

Memo to DTT: Watch this.
 
Nov 2005
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#37
Predictably, caconservative again cowers from my challenge...
I challenge you to exactly quote anybody in this thread who has expressed happiness over American people suffering.​
He didn't even try to provide a quote proving his claim. Cause he can't.


Habitually when you start out questions like this, the answer is "no".
You are consistently avoiding the real basis of my arguments to pretend that I am saying something I am not.


So, if the question brings into focus the mindset of Liberals, it becomes delusional?
No.
Nowhere near what I said.
But I understand why you consistently cower from honestly addressing what people say and instead you pick a strawman argument.


Liberals on this site offer it daily in the manner in which they post their articles attacking Trump. Any objective look at the problem can reach no other conclusion.
Attack Trump? Sure. Liberals are doing that and I have no problem admitting that.
BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT YOU SAID.
You claimed liberals were expressing happiness over American people suffering. Which is a lie. And you can't provide any quote showing your lie...
 
Dec 2012
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#38
You have serious reading comprehension problems. I did not say that.

I am clearly saying that you thinking that liberals on this thread are taking joy in the problems of Americans is delusional.
I challenged you to QUOTE ANY LIBERAL who you claim is taking pleasure in American employment problems, but you are failing to do so.



Now you are clearly moving the goal-posts from talking about fellow Americans suffering into the territory of "attacking Trump".
Those are two entirely separate issues.

Do you regularly get so easily confused and suddenly blur such clearly different issues together?

For example, if a liberal were to say "I like attacking Trump", do you somehow think that means that the hypothetical liberal somehow enjoys people being unemployed?
Are you capable of comprehending the difference?



As I have stated for other posters in the past, there is a recurring trend where some people starting their statements with "I guess" or "It seems that" then what follows is invariably NOT what is actually going on.

Beyond that, nothing you said in that post had any actual relation to what I actually said in the post from me that you quoted.
Then why did you elect a president, twice, who's economic failures produced high unemployment and a dismal GDP average? If the Liberals think subverting Trump's economic plan, which will result in high unemployment, then they are not above doing that. It's not hypothetical, you need only look at the positions the Liberals take in their efforts to block Trump.
 
Nov 2005
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#39
Then why did you elect a president, twice, who's economic failures produced high unemployment and a dismal GDP average?
First of all, why do conservatives consistently and perpetually try to shift discussions away from Trump if they are truly "WINNING" under Trump?
I already know the answer. Cause even you guys appreciate that Trump is damaging the economy and you can't defend it.

Secondly, Obama inherited a mess.
Since he took office, he continually LOWERED unemployment at a rate which continued under Trump. But then when Trump took office, Trump declared that same rate all his and suddenly it was magically "winning".


And finally, it would be amazing if Repubs were to admit deficit spending impacts our economy.
Obama perpetually lowered the deficit.
Trump gets in office and he immediately starts jacking it up to unprecedented levels when he has no reason to.

It's like looking at the economics of a household inbetween Obama who was trying to balance the budget and Trump who is putting everything on credit cards.
Of course there is more money flowing in when you put so much spending on your credit cards. Inevitably, somebody has to pay that bill.


If the Liberals think subverting Trump's economic plan, which will result in high unemployment, then they are not above doing that. It's not hypothetical, you need only look at the positions the Liberals take in their efforts to block Trump.
"subverting Trump's economic plan"???
Trump is wreaking havok with his idiotic tariffs which are nothing more than pissing matches.
Trump is doing the damage. HE BUILT THAT.
Stop trying to blame others for Trump's actions and consequences.
 
Dec 2012
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#40
Are you so closed minded that you'll only listen to people who will only vote for Trump?
Just imagine if everybody behaved as you and refused to address concerns of anybody who didn't vote the way they wanted. Or maybe that's the Republican point under Trump in the first place...

Trump's approval rating has been consistently below 50% for a long time. His disapproval rating has been consistently above 50% for years.
RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval
No wonder you (and some other Republicans) are in an echo chamber and refuse to hear the voices of the majority of America.


Out of curiosity, do you have one iota of TOPICAL RESPONSE?
You haven't even addressed whether the points made are true or false in your opinion. You simply refused to address them solely because the guy isn't voting for Trump.
I've paid attention to the Democratic debates. Do you really believe any reasonable person would vote for any one of these socialist idiots? That voice your hearing is from heavily populated Liberal states. States an ever growing number of people are vacating. It's not so much Trump they're listening to, it's the Democratic policies they're being forced to live under that is the overriding problem.