Judge Andrew Napolitano: Hatred is back.

Oct 2010
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I think, hope, this is an issue on which the warring sides can agree.

Hatred continues ratcheting up. Everyone feels this. We don't want a civil war or any war on US soil. Everyone should know this.

Reversing hatred takes deliberate effort, and patience with the slow pace of doing so.

Can we agree on this?

Judge Andrew Napolitano: Trump
has unleashed a torrent of hatred
...I have known President Trump personally since 1986. The private Trump I have known is funny, charming and embracing. That is not the public Trump of today. When he loudly called for four members of Congress – women of color who oppose nearly all his initiatives and who have questioned his fitness for office – to go back to the places from which they came, he unleashed a torrent of hatred.​
The "Go back" trope was used by white racists toward African-Americans for 100 years, from Reconstruction to the civil rights era, suggesting repulsively that they should go "back" to Africa; never mind their American births. It was uttered by the establishment at my grandfathers and many others who came here from southern Europe as children in the early days of the last century.​
"Go back" is a rejection of the nation as a melting pot; a condemnation of one of America's founding values – E Pluribus Unum (Out of many, one). It implicates a racial or nativist superiority: We were here before you; this is our land, not yours; get out. Nativist hatred is an implication of moral or even legal superiority that has no constitutional justification in American government.​
All working in government in America have taken an oath to support the Constitution. The Constitution commands equal protection of the laws by government at all levels. No one is above the laws' obligations and no one is beneath the laws' protections. The Constitution not only commands of government both racial neutrality and color blindness, it generally prohibits government officials from making distinctions among people on the basis of immutable characteristics.​
So, when the president defies these moral and constitutional norms and tells women of color to "Go back," he raises a terrifying specter.​
The specter is hatred not for ideas he despises but for the people who embrace those ideas. The specter is also a dog whistle to groups around the country that hatred is back in fashion and is acceptable to articulate publicly.​
Don't get me wrong. Even though hate speech – speech that expresses hatred for people, as opposed to hatred for ideas – stings and hurts, it is constitutionally protected. The remedy for hate speech is not to silence the hater but to shame him. And the most effective way to do that is with more speech.​
But when the hate speech comes from a shameless president, we have a problem....​

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#3
I think, hope, this is an issue on which the warring sides can agree.

Hatred continues ratcheting up. Everyone feels this. We don't want a civil war or any war on US soil. Everyone should know this.

Reversing hatred takes deliberate effort, and patience with the slow pace of doing so.

Can we agree on this?

Judge Andrew Napolitano: Trump
has unleashed a torrent of hatred
...I have known President Trump personally since 1986. The private Trump I have known is funny, charming and embracing. That is not the public Trump of today. When he loudly called for four members of Congress – women of color who oppose nearly all his initiatives and who have questioned his fitness for office – to go back to the places from which they came, he unleashed a torrent of hatred.​
The "Go back" trope was used by white racists toward African-Americans for 100 years, from Reconstruction to the civil rights era, suggesting repulsively that they should go "back" to Africa; never mind their American births. It was uttered by the establishment at my grandfathers and many others who came here from southern Europe as children in the early days of the last century.​
"Go back" is a rejection of the nation as a melting pot; a condemnation of one of America's founding values – E Pluribus Unum (Out of many, one). It implicates a racial or nativist superiority: We were here before you; this is our land, not yours; get out. Nativist hatred is an implication of moral or even legal superiority that has no constitutional justification in American government.​
All working in government in America have taken an oath to support the Constitution. The Constitution commands equal protection of the laws by government at all levels. No one is above the laws' obligations and no one is beneath the laws' protections. The Constitution not only commands of government both racial neutrality and color blindness, it generally prohibits government officials from making distinctions among people on the basis of immutable characteristics.​
So, when the president defies these moral and constitutional norms and tells women of color to "Go back," he raises a terrifying specter.​
The specter is hatred not for ideas he despises but for the people who embrace those ideas. The specter is also a dog whistle to groups around the country that hatred is back in fashion and is acceptable to articulate publicly.​
Don't get me wrong. Even though hate speech – speech that expresses hatred for people, as opposed to hatred for ideas – stings and hurts, it is constitutionally protected. The remedy for hate speech is not to silence the hater but to shame him. And the most effective way to do that is with more speech.​
But when the hate speech comes from a shameless president, we have a problem....​

More: Judge Andrew Napolitano: Trump has unleashed a torrent of hatred
LOL...have you seen the Trumpanzees complaining about Napolitano? How DARE he speak the truth about Trump on the right's favorite agitprop network!!
 
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LOL...have you seen the Trumpanzees complaining about Napolitano? How DARE he speak the truth about Trump on the right's favorite agitprop network!!
I have to hand it to Napolitano and Wallace, who are trying to bridge the steep-sided chasm dividing Americans.

As far as I can tell, they stand alone in this effort. I can't name one liberal newsperson making the effort to do so.
 
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The judge is projecting.
The judge isn't just projecting, he's mis-projecting.

Let's take a look at what Trump actually wrote (I underlined the part of what he wrote that I want to focus on):

So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly......

....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....
I don't think that a white racist who wants African-Americans to leave would be doing so for the purpose of figuring out how to fix up some other place; white racists telling African-Americans to "go back" probably just want them to go away, to stay gone away, and wouldn't care what they would do elsewhere. It doesn't even make any sense to think that a white racist saying "go back" to African-Americans is going to say "then come back."

The real issue (which can be determined by anyone, because the information's available to the public) is that Trump is concerned with who can best improve or fix something, and people who want to fix something showing that they have improved or fixed things. It's not just Trump and it's not just about fixing or improving something, it's Americans in general and it's about a country where although things may not be perfect (no country can be perfect), overall things are running fairly smoothly, but compared to other places (whether it's cities in the US or other countries) it's doing way better than those other places.
 
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I think, hope, this is an issue on which the warring sides can agree.

Hatred continues ratcheting up. Everyone feels this. We don't want a civil war or any war on US soil. Everyone should know this.

Reversing hatred takes deliberate effort, and patience with the slow pace of doing so.

Can we agree on this?

Judge Andrew Napolitano: Trump
has unleashed a torrent of hatred
...I have known President Trump personally since 1986. The private Trump I have known is funny, charming and embracing. That is not the public Trump of today. When he loudly called for four members of Congress – women of color who oppose nearly all his initiatives and who have questioned his fitness for office – to go back to the places from which they came, he unleashed a torrent of hatred.​
The "Go back" trope was used by white racists toward African-Americans for 100 years, from Reconstruction to the civil rights era, suggesting repulsively that they should go "back" to Africa; never mind their American births. It was uttered by the establishment at my grandfathers and many others who came here from southern Europe as children in the early days of the last century.​
"Go back" is a rejection of the nation as a melting pot; a condemnation of one of America's founding values – E Pluribus Unum (Out of many, one). It implicates a racial or nativist superiority: We were here before you; this is our land, not yours; get out. Nativist hatred is an implication of moral or even legal superiority that has no constitutional justification in American government.​
All working in government in America have taken an oath to support the Constitution. The Constitution commands equal protection of the laws by government at all levels. No one is above the laws' obligations and no one is beneath the laws' protections. The Constitution not only commands of government both racial neutrality and color blindness, it generally prohibits government officials from making distinctions among people on the basis of immutable characteristics.​
So, when the president defies these moral and constitutional norms and tells women of color to "Go back," he raises a terrifying specter.​
The specter is hatred not for ideas he despises but for the people who embrace those ideas. The specter is also a dog whistle to groups around the country that hatred is back in fashion and is acceptable to articulate publicly.​
Don't get me wrong. Even though hate speech – speech that expresses hatred for people, as opposed to hatred for ideas – stings and hurts, it is constitutionally protected. The remedy for hate speech is not to silence the hater but to shame him. And the most effective way to do that is with more speech.​
But when the hate speech comes from a shameless president, we have a problem....​

More: Judge Andrew Napolitano: Trump has unleashed a torrent of hatred
Ironic that you presume to lecture people about hatred. It is almost as ironic as Judge whoever lecturing Trump when Trump has faced hatred since the day he announced. It is a two way street.
 
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Ironic that you presume to lecture people about hatred. It is almost as ironic as Judge whoever lecturing Trump when Trump has faced hatred since the day he announced. It is a two way street.
Deal with your own hate that blinded you to this post of mine, post #4, right upthread


I have to hand it to Napolitano and Wallace, who are trying to bridge the steep-sided chasm dividing Americans.
As far as I can tell, they stand alone in this effort. I can't name one liberal newsperson making the effort to do so.

It's no wonder at all that you can't see the hatred the president expresses and inspires. You're full of it.
 
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Ironic that you presume to lecture people about hatred. It is almost as ironic as Judge whoever lecturing Trump when Trump has faced hatred since the day he announced. It is a two way street.
The hatred aimed at Trump is a self-inflicted injury. And I quite regularly suspect it was intentional. He knows what his unthinking followers want.
 
Oct 2010
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The hatred aimed at Trump is a self-inflicted injury. And I quite regularly suspect it was intentional. He knows what his unthinking followers want.
Yes, for his "victims," the folks in the "flyover states," the fertile ground for the seeds of fear he sows and the fear and hostility he harvests, Trump is their Messiah in the flesh.