Marijuana Legalization

Dec 2013
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That cash part is not true. It is up to the individual banks whether they want to hand credit or debit transactions for dispensaries. The clearing houses (Visa/MC) and the processing companies have changed their stance since 2014. It is just that most people don't want to have a paper or electronic trail "just in case" and the dispensaries love to cheat on the regulatory taxes with some even lying that they can only accept cash. There is just too much money in it for the electronic money transfer industries to ignore, and the Feds look the other way as long as you pay the IRS.
Link?
 
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#22
I'm that good at finding obscure news that are four and a half years old, but here's one I just found. It is from Jan 9 2014:

Previously, credit card companies have said they want to adhere to federal law, with the official rules of Visa and Mastercard prohibiting the use for such purchases. But as more and more states look to make weed legal, companies are following the federal government’s lead and are (sort of) staying out of it. In a statement to the Denver Post, Visa says it tries to prevent their network from being used illegally, but that individual banks can decide on their own.
https://www.bustle.com/articles/12246-credit-card-companies-will-allow-purchase-of-marijuana-in-colorado
 
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From my understanding weed transactions violate federal banking and drug laws and the feds can seized them at will. The same w/ CC.
The Feds look the other way for two main reasons:

1) Clashing with the States
2) Weed is a cash cow for the IRS, Social Security, etc. They actually prefer a paper and electronic trail to chase down dispensaries workers and owners for taxes. Remember, they wanted their cut of revenues even from Al Capone.

The banks had no issue with cash deposits, they had a issue with violating federal banking laws regarding electronic money transfers.
 
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Trump to end federal ban? Or just illuminati fake news?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tPneh8putkg
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That doesn't make any sense.

Federal law is federal law. It applies to all states equally. You cant just have slavery legal in Mississippi and slavery illegal in Minnesota.
Sure you can, presuming there isn't already a legal precedent to follow. If a legal decision doesn't reach the SCOTUS then the decisions of lower courts hold sway in their jurisdictional area. Said areas are ruled by circuit courts. There are 11 circuit courts (feel free to consult the official link below) and each reigns supreme in it's decisions for it's area. However they can be overruled by the Supreme Court. Most times the Supreme Court declines cases previously determined by Circuit Courts. For example: a law is passed in Mississippi that makes murder legal (we're talking theory here). The outraged families of murder victims file suit against the state, but at each level of appeal the STATE wins. Finally the case reaches the SCOTUS which, after decades of methamphetamine abuse and Rocky movies, declines to rule on the previous courts decision. Bam, murder is now federally legal in the entire 5th federal circuit and TOTALLY legal for citizens of Mississippi. But no other state has legalized murder. We'll say for the sake of argument that Alabama ALSO legalizes murder. it's a Red State, why not? Same scenario plays out only this time the 11th circuit court overrules the lesser courts and says "no, murder should still be illegal". So you have two states adjoining each other, each with totally separate laws on murder and each 100% legit in the eyes of the Feds. Pretty fucking stupid, right? it does get SLIGHTLY better. We'll say that 2 years later the SCOTUS decides to rule in the Alabama circuit court decision. They say "Yeah, circuit court screwed up. MURDER SHOULD BE LEGAL". Immediately murder being legal becomes the law of the entire USA. People like me rejoice.

Anyway...nuts, huh?


http://www.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/u.s._federal_courts_circuit_map_1.pdf
 
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Sure you can, presuming there isn't already a legal precedent to follow. If a legal decision doesn't reach the SCOTUS then the decisions of lower courts hold sway in their jurisdictional area. Said areas are ruled by circuit courts. There are 11 circuit courts (feel free to consult the official link below) and each reigns supreme in it's decisions for it's area. However they can be overruled by the Supreme Court. Most times the Supreme Court declines cases previously determined by Circuit Courts. For example: a law is passed in Mississippi that makes murder legal (we're talking theory here). The outraged families of murder victims file suit against the state, but at each level of appeal the STATE wins. Finally the case reaches the SCOTUS which, after decades of methamphetamine abuse and Rocky movies, declines to rule on the previous courts decision. Bam, murder is now federally legal in the entire 5th federal circuit and TOTALLY legal for citizens of Mississippi. But no other state has legalized murder. We'll say for the sake of argument that Alabama ALSO legalizes murder. it's a Red State, why not? Same scenario plays out only this time the 11th circuit court overrules the lesser courts and says "no, murder should still be illegal". So you have two states adjoining each other, each with totally separate laws on murder and each 100% legit in the eyes of the Feds. Pretty fucking stupid, right? it does get SLIGHTLY better. We'll say that 2 years later the SCOTUS decides to rule in the Alabama circuit court decision. They say "Yeah, circuit court screwed up. MURDER SHOULD BE LEGAL". Immediately murder being legal becomes the law of the entire USA. People like me rejoice.

Anyway...nuts, huh?


http://www.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/u.s._federal_courts_circuit_map_1.pdf


Sure. But they are talking about introducing bills at the federal level to only apply to a few select states. That is what is illogical.

I dont believe any drug legality has seen SCOUTS and i know that weed has not.

This was the biggest plus that i foresaw coming out of the trump win was that states rights was going to become a leading issue.

Hopefully the DEA goes the way of the dinosaur along w/ the epic failure known as the war on drugs.
 
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Sure. But they are talking about introducing bills at the federal level to only apply to a few select states. That is what is illogical.

I dont believe any drug legality has seen SCOUTS and i know that weed has not.

This was the biggest plus that i foresaw coming out of the trump win was that states rights was going to become a leading issue.

Hopefully the DEA goes the way of the dinosaur along w/ the epic failure known as the war on drugs.
Again we agree on something. I think I'm having a positive affect on you, young fella.
 
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