Message for Trump supporters

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I remember conservatives felt the same about BIll Clinton in the 90's.

How can his supporters not abandon him when he lied and lied and when so many women came forward with their stories of rape. Stories that they had told at the time, but not been taken seriously.

The answer was "leave him alone, guy's doing a great job."

The economy was good, that was the bottom line.

Today is no different. More than 60% of Americans report being better off now than they were four years ago. More African-Americans are working than ever in the history of the nation.

Trump is on the side of ordinary Americans.

The Moral Majority types who are shocked, SHOCKED! by his sex life won't win in 2020.
I checked out your statement "more than 60% of Americans report being better off" and you are correct, but there's more to a presidency than "being better off" because Americans also know that it was Obama who brought us through the worst recession in history.... and NO--Trump is not on the side of ordinary Americans, in my opinion.
But here's the bottom line:
Trump was clear during his State of the Union that he plans to make the strength of the economy a major focus of his reelection campaign. Given Americans' generally positive ratings of the economy -- including a 63% job approval rating for Trump on the issue -- it is a sensible strategy.
But with Trump's overall job approval rating still below the majority level, the ultimate question is whether his economic success will mean more to voters than the more controversial aspects of his presidency.
Trump will be judged on any number of issues---not just the economy---and that's something you
should be concerned about.
 
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(In answer to the question of whether she believes the women who say Bill Clinton raped them)

Glad to hear it.

Then I'm sure you would agree that the people who supported Bill Clinton the rapist and Hillary Clinton who attacked publicly the women he raped are just as deplorable and "stupid" as those who support the grabber?
 
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I checked out your statement "more than 60% of Americans report being better off" and you are correct,
I disagree with you on a lot of things, Clara, but let me say that I admire you for just that alone.

Most of your fellow libs would say, "that's been debunked," with no evidence at all of any debunking.

but there's more to a presidency than "being better off" because Americans also know that it was Obama who brought us through the worst recession in history.... and NO--Trump is not on the side of ordinary Americans, in my opinion.
But here's the bottom line:
Trump was clear during his State of the Union that he plans to make the strength of the economy a major focus of his reelection campaign. Given Americans' generally positive ratings of the economy -- including a 63% job approval rating for Trump on the issue -- it is a sensible strategy.
But with Trump's overall job approval rating still below the majority level, the ultimate question is whether his economic success will mean more to voters than the more controversial aspects of his presidency.
Trump will be judged on any number of issues---not just the economy---and that's something you
should be concerned about.
I'm not, though.

I think that many Americans think - not fairly in my opinion - that Obama put us through that recession, not that he brought us through that recession.

The controversial aspects of his presidency most Trump supporters honestly believe are fake controversies ginned up by Congressional Democrats and their allies in the media. The impeachment attempt and the impeachment only solidified that belief.
 
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I disagree with you on a lot of things, Clara, but let me say that I admire you for just that alone.

Most of your fellow libs would say, "that's been debunked," with no evidence at all of any debunking.



I'm not, though.

I think that many Americans think - not fairly in my opinion - that Obama put us through that recession, not that he brought us through that recession.

The controversial aspects of his presidency most Trump supporters honestly believe are fake controversies ginned up by Congressional Democrats and their allies in the media. The impeachment attempt and the impeachment only solidified that belief.
First of all, every president inherits "the state of the union" from the previous president. Obama inherited a holy mess. Trump inherited a much-improved economy moving upward and thankfully he didn't bring us down again. So....good for Trump.
Second, there is nothing fake about blackmail & porn stars. There's nothing fake about Trump's quotes--his insults--his inappropriate tweets---his fury and dishonesty---his corrupt past--his lack of intelligence and experience---his disgust with our intelligence community--his round-robin of advisors---his deficit--his admiration for world dictators---his use of our government for personal gain and I could go on.
Fake: Not geniune---didn't happen. No one, including the media, has altered the news from the White House. No one has manipulated the president's actions and words. No one has changed his tweets or his signed legislation or his quotes or his video/audio. No one has "tricked" Americans with inaccurate statistics.

When Trump is fact-checked, 99% of the time he's lying or misrepresenting or exaggerating or misstating his point. Trump is the fake and a manipulator. His political party has enabled/encouraged that behavior and so have you.
 
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>All these seething leftoids
Look I get it, you don't have the self awareness or intellectual honesty to admit it, but the fact remains. The mainstream Democratic party has hedged its future on securing the minority majority as a constituency. The party stands to gain nothing by considering the humanity or plight of white America because they see it as a dying demographic who are already staunchly in the camp of the opposition. It makes complete sense why the left caters to non-whites at the expense of, or in direct disdain for, white America. Vilifying the opposition through propaganda allows the consolidation of these various groups in opposition to a common enemy. Demographic trends that indicate a decline in fertility rates among whites only emboldens this kind of long term political strategy, and it's why any and all ideology that reverses this trend is seen as inherently racist (the ultimate sin in the new zeitgeist). Anti-immigration, pro-nativist or just downright empowering whites in any capacity whatsoever has been conditioned into the American psyche as inherently dangerous by a serendipitous action plan set into motion by those who benefit from the degredation of the established order. And that's the ultimate irony, because in a way, the election of Donald Trump is also an intentional degredation of the established order; it's just in a direction or towards systems that progressive democratic game plans benefit from and utilize. But why, if the ultimate goal of the opposition is the creation of a paradigm shift in which the destruction and villification of your self and own group, should these people feel guilt for doing so? It's why empathic shaming doesn't work on the right.

Of course, your average progressive is oblivious to this. Why would a white person feel vindicated in contributing to the destruction of their own people and country? It's a mixture of many things. For the elites, the believe very strongly that they will benefit from the degredation of the populace because in the new world there will be degrees of separation between those who have and those who have not. A rift created primarily out of socioeconomic factors, but also a very real false narrative, a sort of forged national identity predicated upon the Goodwill of monsters to side against their own kind will help enshrine them and keep them entrenched enough to manipulate the masses.

For your average progressive however? The goal is simple self satisfaction. Whether that be through the atonement of the afformentioned guilt narrative, or merely unrationalized empathic emoting run amok is of no consequence to those benefit from this strategy.

Obviously there will be ten replies just calling it all bullshit, that I have no reason to believe this, etc. That's fine, it doesn't bother me much.
I think the fact that someone still separates whites and nonwhites into separate catagories is a big reason why racism is still an issue. The left is not pandering to the minority vote they are pandering to the American vote. The only two reasons one would need to come to this conclusion is
A: they are racist and beating around the bush
B: they are internally conflicted by the need to be right and better then their neighbor but having trouble seeing passed their messiahs many many many flaws and need to find a cop out to sleep at night. So either they believe this is true or they just won’t deal with the real issue


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>All these seething leftoids
Look I get it, you don't have the self awareness or intellectual honesty to admit it, but the fact remains. The mainstream Democratic party has hedged its future on securing the minority majority as a constituency. The party stands to gain nothing by considering the humanity or plight of white America because they see it as a dying demographic who are already staunchly in the camp of the opposition. It makes complete sense why the left caters to non-whites at the expense of, or in direct disdain for, white America. Vilifying the opposition through propaganda allows the consolidation of these various groups in opposition to a common enemy. Demographic trends that indicate a decline in fertility rates among whites only emboldens this kind of long term political strategy, and it's why any and all ideology that reverses this trend is seen as inherently racist (the ultimate sin in the new zeitgeist). Anti-immigration, pro-nativist or just downright empowering whites in any capacity whatsoever has been conditioned into the American psyche as inherently dangerous by a serendipitous action plan set into motion by those who benefit from the degredation of the established order. And that's the ultimate irony, because in a way, the election of Donald Trump is also an intentional degredation of the established order; it's just in a direction or towards systems that progressive democratic game plans benefit from and utilize. But why, if the ultimate goal of the opposition is the creation of a paradigm shift in which the destruction and villification of your self and own group, should these people feel guilt for doing so? It's why empathic shaming doesn't work on the right.

Of course, your average progressive is oblivious to this. Why would a white person feel vindicated in contributing to the destruction of their own people and country? It's a mixture of many things. For the elites, the believe very strongly that they will benefit from the degredation of the populace because in the new world there will be degrees of separation between those who have and those who have not. A rift created primarily out of socioeconomic factors, but also a very real false narrative, a sort of forged national identity predicated upon the Goodwill of monsters to side against their own kind will help enshrine them and keep them entrenched enough to manipulate the masses.

For your average progressive however? The goal is simple self satisfaction. Whether that be through the atonement of the afformentioned guilt narrative, or merely unrationalized empathic emoting run amok is of no consequence to those benefit from this strategy.

Obviously there will be ten replies just calling it all bullshit, that I have no reason to believe this, etc. That's fine, it doesn't bother me much.




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Feb 2020
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First of all, every president inherits "the state of the union" from the previous president. Obama inherited a holy mess. Trump inherited a much-improved economy moving upward and thankfully he didn't bring us down again. So....good for Trump.
Second, there is nothing fake about blackmail & porn stars. There's nothing fake about Trump's quotes--his insults--his inappropriate tweets---his fury and dishonesty---his corrupt past--his lack of intelligence and experience---his disgust with our intelligence community--his round-robin of advisors---his deficit--his admiration for world dictators---his use of our government for personal gain and I could go on.
Fake: Not geniune---didn't happen. No one, including the media, has altered the news from the White House. No one has manipulated the president's actions and words. No one has changed his tweets or his signed legislation or his quotes or his video/audio. No one has "tricked" Americans with inaccurate statistics.

When Trump is fact-checked, 99% of the time he's lying or misrepresenting or exaggerating or misstating his point. Trump is the fake and a manipulator. His political party has enabled/encouraged that behavior and so have you.
Was the Steele Dossier real?
 
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I remember conservatives felt the same about BIll Clinton in the 90's.
I really don't buy this...
The investigation started out with White Water. Years spent on that.
Then, years later when they still found nothing they moved on to his sexual behavior. And then, only after he lied about sex (which no guy has ever done in the history of mankind before (#sarcasm)) did they have something to move on.

Furthermore, the polling doesn't line up with your claim either.
Only 31% disapproval => A LOT of Republicans who were unwilling to "disapprove" of Clinton.


How can his supporters not abandon him when he lied and lied and when so many women came forward with their stories of rape. Stories that they had told at the time, but not been taken seriously.
The answer was "leave him alone, guy's doing a great job."
The economy was good, that was the bottom line.
I have never met anybody who said that.


Today is no different. More than 60% of Americans report being better off now than they were four years ago. More African-Americans are working than ever in the history of the nation.
No. Today is VERY different.
Assuming your statistic is true, let's look at Trump's other statistics...
At one stage during Clinton's presidency during the impeachment, he hit 71% approval. The public saw through the politically motivated farce.
On Feb 1 => an aggregate assessment put Trumps approval at 41% and his disapproval at 55.5%

Polling during Trump's impeachment repeatedly showed a majority wanting Trump removed from office.

And ironically, even with Trump remaining in office, the Dow fell 1,191 points (the biggest drop in history).


Trump is on the side of ordinary Americans.
No. He's not.
I've got some ocean front property in Arizona for anybody who believes he is...
 
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Americans live paycheck to paycheck because they struggle to keep up with taxes.
No.
Americans live paycheck to paycheck because of stagnant wages over the decades while the housing market has been anything but stagnant.



Trump supporters do not endorse his dishonesty and selfishness...
Trying to say they aren't "endorsing" it as they actively deny it is hilarious...


... they endorse his ability to grow the economy and negotiate good deals for the country.
It is downright pathetic how the economy / jobs saw the same improvement rates under Obama as with under Trump, but you guys give Trump the credit.
 
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I really don't buy this...
The investigation started out with White Water. Years spent on that.
Then, years later when they still found nothing they moved on to his sexual behavior. And then, only after he lied about sex (which no guy has ever done in the history of mankind before (#sarcasm)) did they have something to move on.
The Trump impeachment movement started out with the election of Donald Trump over the heated objections of senior officials in the justice department. Now all they needed was something to charge him with.

First they obtained the fake Steele Dossier from the Clinton Campain/DNC (turned out to be one and the same), then they spied on enough Americans that they finally came up with chargeable offenses not at all related to collusion with any Ruskies. They tried and failed to use that leverage to get stool pigeons to sing (after first composing).

After years of investigation, the best they could come up with was the incredibly lame, "well, he's still not exonerated."

Then the incredibly silly hurry up and wait impeachment over what?

Not taking a White House meeting with someone?

Asking a Ukrainian to investigate corruption that took place in Ukraine?

Of course that request was for political gain. But it also had a legitimate purpose in furthering U.S. policy to avoid sending money to corrupt regimes.