Dec 2018
Moroni is thought by Latter Day Saints to be the same person as a Book of Mormon prophet-warrior named Moroni, who was the last to write in the golden plates. The book states that Moroni buried them before he died after a great battle between two pre-Columbian civilizations. After he died, he became an angel who was tasked with guarding the golden plates and directing Smith to their location in the 1820s. According to Smith, he returned the golden plates to Moroni after they were translated and, as of 1838, Moroni still had the plates in his possession

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Forum Staff
Oct 2010
According to Smith....who claimed to be accomplished in translating "reformed Egyptian," one of his many lies, like:

The Book of Abraham - Joseph's Most Obvious Fraud & What the Church Says About Its to
Sometimes we assume that certain information is already known by people who visit our site, but that’s not always the case. Problems with The Book of Abraham, while semi-openly admitted (and whitewashed) by the church’s own online essay, are not widely known by members of the church. So, here’s a brief summary of the problems, written for your convenience.​
Joseph Smith claimed that the papyri contained the writings of Abraham and Joseph of Egypt, but modern Egyptologists have confirmed that it is a totally inaccurate translation, entirely unrelated to Abraham or Joseph of Egypt.
Unfortunately for Joseph and modern-day Mormons, the papyri were literal objects that the church has possession of, and Egyptologists are now able to read them easily. According to every Egyptologist who has read the papyri (minus one LDS Egyptologist), they are ordinary funerary texts that were buried with mummies, completely unrelated to Abraham or Joseph of Egypt.​
So what does the church have to say about that fact? Here’s an except from their essay about it:​
“The relationship of these documents to the book of Abraham is not fully understood.”​
“Not fully understood”? But didn’t Joseph claim they were translations? Awkward.​
They also admit that, “Neither the rules nor the translations in the grammar book correspond to those recognized by Egyptologists today.”​
The LDS church admits on their website that the Book of Abraham is not a translation of the papyri Joseph claimed it was a translation of.
Also from the church’s website: “Mormon and non-Mormon Egyptologists agree that the characters on the fragments do not match the translation given in the book of Abraham”​
As with the seer stone, the church is relying on its “we don’t really know exactly what translation entailed” excuse to attempt to explain away the obvious fraud that is The Book of Abraham. They also throw out the suggestion that perhaps if we had the lost papyri, we wouldn’t be in this pickle:​
“It is likely futile to assess Joseph’s ability to translate papyri when we now have only a fraction of the papyri he had in his possession. The loss of a significant portion of the papyri means the relationship of the papyri to the published text cannot be settled conclusively by reference to the papyri.”​
Interesting that God would allow the only remaining parts of the papyri available to be total garbage and unrelated to everything Joseph claimed they were about.​
The Book of Abraham also contains blatant translation errors, like listing drawings of women as men, and canopic jars as idols.
Joseph also identified specific characters on the facsimiles and gave their translations that Egyptologists say are completely in error. If only he could have used his seer capabilities to learn about the future discovery of the Rosetta Stone, eh?​
Joseph also appeared to be pretty weak, astronomy-wise.The sun does not borrow light from other sources—every modern-day scientist knows that. But in Joseph’s time, it was perhaps more feasible for people to believe that the sun borrows its light from a star named Kolob… right?​

More: The Book of Abraham – Joseph’s Most Obvious Fraud & What the Church Says About It
Jul 2018
Smith had to write his fairy tale in sch a way that he could use all of the traditional characters to make it credible. His audience was a herd of dummies so he got away with it, especially since the guys would get their own private harems and become gods of their own worlds. Now all they have to do is to keep buying the magic underwear from the Boss's underwear factory.