Most Americans don't support building the wall

Mar 2018
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Grayson
#11
Democrats would rather spend millions of dollars opposing the wall, let the MS 13 in with their drug Cartels, allow Muslims to weasel through as well, give free health care to illegal immigrants, and pay for housing and the welfare roles. Have you ever noticed that most of them are men? Democrats don't care that it destroys America because 85% of them will vote Democrat someday. 76,000 came in last month. Isn't that special.

I'll never forget it. America's deceitful news network, 'ABC' one day was reporting that the Trump administration said Muslim's were coming across the border and David Muir said, "but ABC news has seen no evidence of that!" While he's saying it ABC has a video going where there's a woman in a full Muslim head-scarf walking among the crowd!
Democrats had no problem funding a wall for the country of Jordan. Only a fool wouldn't understand why they oppose building one here.
I double over laughing at pure idiocy. The wall was the Democrats idea. They sold it to gullible Tea Party Republicans. Since I doubt you can read this entire thread (most wallists struggle with their reading skills), let me tell you two reasons we don't need a wall:

1) We are not some dependent cesspool of a country like the ones you allude to in trying to find a pretext for building a wall

2) As General George Patton said, "Fixed fortifications are a testament to the stupidity of man."

EVERY argument you can make for a wall can be proven to be false - ESPECIALLY those wherein you falsely try to make this a conservative v. liberal argument. I'm not liberal, left, or Democrat and never have been. All you have is one lie stacked on top of another. You have to invoke the name calling as a diversionary tactic to keep from talking about the real issues.
 
Mar 2019
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New Hampshire
#12
I double over laughing at pure idiocy. The wall was the Democrats idea. They sold it to gullible Tea Party Republicans. Since I doubt you can read this entire thread (most wallists struggle with their reading skills), let me tell you two reasons we don't need a wall:

1) We are not some dependent cesspool of a country like the ones you allude to in trying to find a pretext for building a wall

2) As General George Patton said, "Fixed fortifications are a testament to the stupidity of man."

EVERY argument you can make for a wall can be proven to be false - ESPECIALLY those wherein you falsely try to make this a conservative v. liberal argument. I'm not liberal, left, or Democrat and never have been. All you have is one lie stacked on top of another. You have to invoke the name calling as a diversionary tactic to keep from talking about the real issues.
We can pay for Jordan's wall, give Pakistan 10 billion dollars, give Iran billions, give large corporations billions in subsidies, but we can't spend money on a wall to help protect us that would be deterrent to illegal immigration and the MS13 as well as Islamic terrorist. There are 200,000 Muslim's in Mexico who left one shit hole for another and you have no clue WHY. You'd rather spend billions on free health care, free housing, give them all EBT cards, for people who never paid a penny of tax in this country. 76,000 came in last month. If that doesn't turn a light on in your head nothing will.

One poster was half right. Let's build towers, arm them with automatic weapons, and bring the rat patrol in and put our outdated 50 calibers to use mounting them on all of Obama's 'cash for clunker' contributions. I'm all for it.
 
Mar 2018
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Grayson
#13
We can pay for Jordan's wall, give Pakistan 10 billion dollars, give Iran billions, give large corporations billions in subsidies, but we can't spend money on a wall to help protect us that would be deterrent to illegal immigration and the MS13 as well as Islamic terrorist. There are 200,000 Muslim's in Mexico who left one shit hole for another and you have no clue WHY. You'd rather spend billions on free health care, free housing, give them all EBT cards, for people who never paid a penny of tax in this country. 76,000 came in last month. If that doesn't turn a light on in your head nothing will.

One poster was half right. Let's build towers, arm them with automatic weapons, and bring the rat patrol in and put our outdated 50 calibers to use mounting them on all of Obama's 'cash for clunker' contributions. I'm all for it.
You do not impress me with debunked talking points from the National Socialists. As stated we are not some pissant country trying to fight an enemy.

On the contrary, Americans are willingly doing business with the foreigners. Besides that, there is no express authority to build a wall we don't need that will only hamper free enterprise.

As for MS13, it was founded IN THE UNITED STATES. It will be a shame if we have to debunk your theories here as they originated with neo nazis. Do you REALLY want to go down that road? EVERY nonpartisan study weighs the evidence and says you are wrong.

No, Undocumented Immigrants Aren't Stealing Your Benefits | HuffPost

5 immigration myths debunked

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-01/study-undocumented-immigrants-pay-billions-in-taxes

A 2007 Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report on the impact of undocumented immigrants on the budgets of local and state governments cited IRS figures showing that 50% to 75% of the about 11 million unauthorized U.S. immigrants file and pay income taxes each year.

https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/ftpdocs/87xx/doc8711/12-6-immigration.pdf

https://itep.org/wp-content/uploads/immigration2016.pdf

"Even considering noncash benefits—the Congressional Budget Office has estimated that in the aggregate, immigrants pay more into the tax system than they take out in public benefits. Our friends on the right, of course, deny this."

https://www.quora.com/What-federal-benefits-do-undocumented-immigrants-receive-in-the-United-States
Economic impact of illegal immigrants in the United States - Wikipedia
 
Mar 2019
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New Hampshire
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Am I mistaking or wasn't it you who said you're not a leftist? All your links are from biased far left sources!

Statistics show 4,316 people were apprehended along the border last year, up from 3,027 in 2017 and 2,283 in 2016.

Of the 2018 total, 963 people, or about 22 percent, were apprehended after illegally crossing the border from Canada.

Statistics show illegal northern border crossings climbing

The northern border numbers are tiny compared to the southern border where just under 400,000 individuals were apprehended last year.

The MS-13 is a toxic cocktail of several South American thugs and gang members. It hardly matters where the MS-13 originated, it matters most where the assholes come from!

The MS-13 was founded in the US? Yep, by Hondurans, Guatemalans, Mexicans, and El Salvadorian's and people and from all over Central and South America. For some reason, they run the prisons in Mexico and El Salvador. When the MS-13 began the majority of its members were Central American ethnic descent, mostly from thugs and gang members by other names from El Salvador. A huge population of the MS-13 currently resides on the inside of the dangerous El Salvador jails. So why should we allow illegal immigrants from south of the border in? Do you feel sorry for the children entering the US. like most bleeding heart liberals do? Have you ever noticed how many of these immigrants are men/boys? You do watch the deceitful news networks like ABC and CNN, right? Most MS-!3 members are teenagers! Of the near 75,000 estimated members in the MS-13 today, almost 70% are under the age of 18.
Read more here: https://www.mcclatchydc.com/latest-news/article197517869.html#storylink=cpy
15 Horrifying Facts About The World’s Most Notorious Gang The MS-13
 
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Mar 2018
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Grayson
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Am I mistaking or wasn't it you who said you're not a leftist? All your links are from biased far left sources!

Statistics show 4,316 people were apprehended along the border last year, up from 3,027 in 2017 and 2,283 in 2016.

Of the 2018 total, 963 people, or about 22 percent, were apprehended after illegally crossing the border from Canada.

Statistics show illegal northern border crossings climbing

The northern border numbers are tiny compared to the southern border where just under 400,000 individuals were apprehended last year.

The MS-13 is a toxic cocktail of several South American thugs and gang members. It hardly matters where the MS-13 originated, it matters most where the assholes come from!

The MS-13 was founded in the US? Yep, by Hondurans, Guatemalans, Mexicans, and El Salvadorian's and people and from all over Central and South America. For some reason, they run the prisons in Mexico and El Salvador. When the MS-13 began the majority of its members were Central American ethnic descent, mostly from thugs and gang members by other names from El Salvador. A huge population of the MS-13 currently resides on the inside of the dangerous El Salvador jails. So why should we allow illegal immigrants from south of the border in? Do you feel sorry for the children entering the US. like most bleeding heart liberals do? Have you ever noticed how many of these immigrants are men/boys? You do watch the deceitful news networks like ABC and CNN, right? Most MS-!3 members are teenagers! Of the near 75,000 estimated members in the MS-13 today, almost 70% are under the age of 18.
Read more here: https://www.mcclatchydc.com/latest-news/article197517869.html#storylink=cpy
15 Horrifying Facts About The World’s Most Notorious Gang The MS-13

Obviously you directed that at me, but anybody with an IQ higher than their shoe size can see you are blatantly lying about my sources. For example, the CBO is non-partisan and has NO political agenda. Nice try there homeboy, but no cigar.

Have you noticed that when politicians defect on this issue, they go to the Democrats? The right is losing steam. So, better get a grip on reality. You're going to wake up one day in a communist nation without realizing how it happened.
 
Nov 2018
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Inner Space
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Contrary to the statement you just made, a bigger majority of Americans oppose the wall than pollsters know. For example, in the last election I voted for Trump as the lesser of two evils. So, on the surface, the numbers would say Trump is strong on that issue since it seems to be the only thing he has other than whining about how life's unfair.

Think of it like this:

When the MSM began playing videos of the families of undocumented foreigners being separated, Americans became unglued. Some Republicans switched parties over the issue. In reality, it was all optics. American families are separated every day. Ask anyone that has ever been a foster parent for the system. Additionally, when Trump first started out, he began kicking people out of the U.S. that were productive business owners. There was a Hell of a push back when that happened. Trump backed off that strategy and went after the weakest of the weak - those society would not likely miss.

IF Americans were fully apprised of the costs other than monetary that go into building a wall, everyone with an IQ their shoe size or above would reject it. As a matter of fact, if you go onto any Tea Party site and debate / discuss the FACTS and only the FACTS of the peripheral laws that will be used to enforce the wall, most likely 75 percent of the American people would dismiss the wall.

Additionally, after Trump got into office, he did not get his funding immediately. Then he lost in the last election. The House of Representatives fell to the Democrats. He lost support in the Senate. Then some group started a GoFundMe page to raise the money to build the wall. That effort collapsed and the people who started the page had to refund the collected funds. I'd like to put some perspective into what that effort represents:

One of the wallists talking points is that so called "illegals" are getting free health care and bankrupting the hospitals. So, the medical community had a dog in the fight - IF you buy the lie.

According to one source specialists make around $300,000 per year

How Much Do Doctors Make in 2018?

There are over 500,000 specialists in the United States:

Active physicians U.S. number by specialty 2018 | Statistic

Not all of those specialists will come into contact with undocumented foreigners; however, there are emergency hospital personnel, paramedics, LRNs, RPNs, PAs, etc., etc. that do which figure into the over-all picture. But if we use just the specialists only, we arrive at an income of $150 BILLION dollars a year. Again that does not count the 20 or so support personnel behind each specialist. And a GoFundMe page collapses because we cannot find $5 Billion dollars? Simply translated, the wallists are blowing smoke and there is no real concern by those supposedly affected to write a one time check to make their jobs easier and their incomes higher. The wallists do not understand the economics of their own country. Most Americans do NOT support the wall. That number rises daily.
It is a tremendous conspiracy and they will be sending little girls allegedly selling cookies to take your guns...
 
Nov 2018
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Inner Space
#17
I double over laughing at pure idiocy. The wall was the Democrats idea. They sold it to gullible Tea Party Republicans. Since I doubt you can read this entire thread (most wallists struggle with their reading skills), let me tell you two reasons we don't need a wall:

1) We are not some dependent cesspool of a country like the ones you allude to in trying to find a pretext for building a wall

2) As General George Patton said, "Fixed fortifications are a testament to the stupidity of man."

EVERY argument you can make for a wall can be proven to be false - ESPECIALLY those wherein you falsely try to make this a conservative v. liberal argument. I'm not liberal, left, or Democrat and never have been. All you have is one lie stacked on top of another. You have to invoke the name calling as a diversionary tactic to keep from talking about the real issues.
While I agree with the general sentiment against the wall, this is infused with such extremism and wacko-ness asserting such absolute certainty that I cannot support the argument presented.
 
May 2019
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#18
Most Americans don't support building the wall

But CBS News polling from mid-November found that a majority -- 59 percent of Americans -- oppose building a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border. It's a partisan issue, though. A large majority of Republicans support the wall -- 79 percent. A majority of independents -- 66 percent -- oppose the wall, and 84 percent of Democrats are also against it.

Most Americans don't support building the wall
Riiiight. I'm sure they do these polls in Conservative areas...
 

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