Needs Vs. Wants

Feb 2020
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This purported conflict between needs and wants is often brought up by people who advocate that government take what we want in order to give others what they need.

Definitions of both of these words heavily rely on stating synonyms or providing examples, especially when the difference between the two are analyzed.

IMHO the definitions and comparisons are completely subjective. One person will say, "You don't NEED a needle exchange program and funding for the arts, you WANT those things. What we NEED is another aircraft carrier because a strong military is essential for survival."

Another will say, "You just WANT another aircraft carrier because you are a warmonger. We NEED important programs to protect those affected by substance abuse and to elevate the public's appreciation of the arts."

Of course I would say, "We don't NEED any of that shyte and I sure don't WANT to pay for it.

But instead of recognizing that defining a proposed spending or regulation as a need or want is almost always based on whether one supports or opposes the spending or regulation. Instead they offer their opinion as fact and that just derails the conversation whether it is intended that way or not.
 
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Government is too big and has too much power.

Government began the 'expansion phase' during the Wilson Administration (1913-1921) and really expanded during FDR's reign of power (1933 - 1939)

These are the essential things that all Americans NEED from government.

• Protect the blessings of Liberty, and the Rights of each Citizen (Bill of Rights/Constitution)
• Courts (Justice Dept)
• Make Laws (Congress)
• Defense of the Nation (Defense Dept)
• Law enforcement (US Marshall)
• Coin Money (US Mint)
• Conduct periodic elections.
• Infrastructure

These are the the non-essential things that most Americans WANT from government:

• Social Security
• Housing subsidies
• Corporate Bailouts
• Unemployment Benefits
• Food Stamps
• Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF)
• Madicaid
• MediCare
• Planned Parenthood
• Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP)
• Public Schooling
• National Parks
• Community Colleges
• Free college Tuition (incl Pell Grants)
• Home Mortgage Interest Deduction
• Free Child Care for working moms
• VA Benefits
et al. . .

The only way to restore liberty and freedom is to restore limitations on government. This will require responsible libertarian leadership. It requires sweeping tax cuts AND spending cuts. Yes, it will be tough at first, but the payoff is that Americans will be more productive, and become less dependent on the government. GDP will go UP, and federal borrowing/spending will go DOWN.
 
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Why is this in the socialist section I just complimented you guys for building your own sandbox.
Seymour your point is about getting rid of government, right that's the opposite of socialism, isnt it?
Skychief I can't tell if you agree with Seymour or not but it seems like you don't, right?
 
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Why is this in the socialist section I just complimented you guys for building your own sandbox.
Seymour your point is about getting rid of government, right that's the opposite of socialism, isnt it?
Skychief I can't tell if you agree with Seymour or not but it seems like you don't, right?
It WAS a little wordy, wasn't it?
 
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These are the essential things that all Americans NEED from government.

• Protect the blessings of Liberty, and the Rights of each Citizen (Bill of Rights/Constitution)
• Courts (Justice Dept)
• Make Laws (Congress)
• Defense of the Nation (Defense Dept)
• Law enforcement (US Marshall)
• Coin Money (US Mint)
• Conduct periodic elections.
• Infrastructure
You should state that these are just extensions of our natural rights and not separate entities. There is no government, there are only people.
 
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This is embarrassing. . . I stupidly overlooked the rights of you socialists.

You definitely have rights. . . And they need to be respected.

I will expound on these in another post.. . .
 
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This is embarrassing. . . I stupidly overlooked the rights of you socialists.

You definitely have rights. . . And they need to be respected.

I will expound on these in another post.. . .
Yes, you should. As you know, I do business with socialist and their lawyers have told me that they do have rights and opinions but only if they are state-sanctioned. They do not have unalienable rights. And now, neither do we.
 
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Yes, you should. As you know, I do business with socialist and their lawyers have told me that they do have rights and opinions but only if they are state-sanctioned. They do not have unalienable rights. And now, neither do we.
On one level, we must respect this:

"I’ve seen what socialism’s like, I don’t like it, OK? It’s not only NOT free, it doesn’t frickin work!" - Chris Matthews

but then, we must respect this, also:

“The fact is that the government, like a highwayman, says to a man: Your money, or your life..." - Lysander Spooner

Actually, there is no disagreement in these statements.

These are simply different perspectives on the same subject.
 
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