New Age No War

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Animals kill each other and it is time for humans to stop acting like animals. Humanity has always struggled for a better tomorrow and language has made us more capable of manifesting a better tomorrow than any other animal. Yet our ability to live by reason, rather than animal instinct has been seriously lacking until the technology of the New Age, a time of high tech and peace and the end of tyranny.

We are at crossroads. We can annihilate humanity by continuing to make Old Age bad choices, or we can fully realize a New Age. To make this transition we must destroy the religions from the old age and create a new mythology for the New Age.
 
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I was hoping comments by others might help develop the thought.

Philosophy is very important to understanding our place in the universe and our potential. It is unfortunate the US has focused so much on a religion that holds it in the Old Age with a book about kings and slaves and wars, and the transmission of a morbid understanding of our reality that has destroyed the spiritual awareness of the East and native Americans. The religion without education in the philosophy that brought us to democracy making us very narrow-minded and paranoid (excessive need to be superior and in control).

We might question if we would return to slavery if we lost the energy sources that power our machines and do the work of slaves? It was Alvis's regret for Portugal's part in slave trading that got me to questioning just how much we would respect human rights, without our technology that has made slavery unthinkable. Physically we are in a New Age with this technology. We no longer have a labor intense economy but continue to function as though we had a labor intense economy. I don't think we have caught up mentally with our manifestation of a New Age. Our economy and institutions are from the past, and they are not adequate for our present reality. Worse, we are more competitive and less corruptive than we were. This is a wake-up call.
 
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We are animals. We are connected to animals. If you want us to stop killing each other then you have to create a better system.

Here is the thing. It is not that our connection to animals causes us to kill eachother as much as it is that animals connection to humans keeps them from killing each other as much.

That is what happened to the dinosaurs. They ate each other and then humans were put here to buffer the animals desire to kill each other a bit.
 
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Yah, there are massive dislocations coming to the world economy as we know it. We'll soon have to develop cleaner & more sustainable energy sources - solar (it's all solar, really, in the final analysis), maybe fusion. In agriculture, clean water is a limiting factor, & we'll need to grow end products (textured soya instead of meat, maybe?) directly, instead of feeding plants to animals to then butcher them & transport the prime carcasses to an intermediate step to cut up the primes & package & label them, then ship them off again to retail. If the world population keeps growing, there shortly won't be enough land (nor clean water, nor - possibly - fertilizers & pesticides & etc. from natural gas) to grow enough plants & meats - we'll have to short-circuit that system, somehow.

We need to clean up all the plastics, chemicals, pharmaceuticals & outright carcinogens & other trash in the natural environment. & figure out some better way to dispose of cleaner trash without landfilling it all - we have better uses for the land. Fish catches in the ocean are falling every year, I believe.

We need to tailor shrubs, grasses, trees - to adjust them to tolerate insect pests, occasional drought, higher temperatures, & occasional forest/prairie fires. It's worth the cost & effort - keeping plants in the forests & on the hills & mountains helps regularize the temperature, moderate the snowpack melt, keep the streams clean & flowing, cut down on dust & other particulates blowing around in the air.

That's the short list, there's much more to do - of course.
 
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Yah, there are massive dislocations coming to the world economy as we know it. We'll soon have to develop cleaner & more sustainable energy sources - solar (it's all solar, really, in the final analysis), maybe fusion. In agriculture, clean water is a limiting factor, & we'll need to grow end products (textured soya instead of meat, maybe?) directly, instead of feeding plants to animals to then butcher them & transport the prime carcasses to an intermediate step to cut up the primes & package & label them, then ship them off again to retail. If the world population keeps growing, there shortly won't be enough land (nor clean water, nor - possibly - fertilizers & pesticides & etc. from natural gas) to grow enough plants & meats - we'll have to short-circuit that system, somehow.

We need to clean up all the plastics, chemicals, pharmaceuticals & outright carcinogens & other trash in the natural environment. & figure out some better way to dispose of cleaner trash without landfilling it all - we have better uses for the land. Fish catches in the ocean are falling every year, I believe.

We need to tailor shrubs, grasses, trees - to adjust them to tolerate insect pests, occasional drought, higher temperatures, & occasional forest/prairie fires. It's worth the cost & effort - keeping plants in the forests & on the hills & mountains helps regularize the temperature, moderate the snowpack melt, keep the streams clean & flowing, cut down on dust & other particulates blowing around in the air.

That's the short list, there's much more to do - of course.
And your to-do list would all entail expenses without any type of near term profit or instant gratification. The usual suspects would claim it's all government waste of their hard earned money.

They can't or won't look ahead and refuse to believe the science. But then, when that's what their chosen leaders do, it isn't all that surprising.
 
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And your to-do list would all entail expenses without any type of near term profit or instant gratification. The usual suspects would claim it's all government waste of their hard earned money.

They can't or won't look ahead and refuse to believe the science. But then, when that's what their chosen leaders do, it isn't all that surprising.
Yes, we need to allocate all the costs involved in our systems - all of them. The long-term medical costs of feeding people high-sugar, high-fat bulk diets - the impacts to cardiac disease, blood pressure, digestion, dentition. & so on. It's not going to be a pretty picture.

But if we - people, civilization, nations - don't make a dent in @ least starting to correct issues, nature deals in very direct measures - famine, pestilence, war, drought, mass breakdowns of government, massive waves of people fleeing war zones & trying to reach areas that are still habitable. We're seeing some of that, as people flee conflicts in the Middle East - it could get much worse. Think of Ebola - if the international network of aid, meds, medical supplies, disposable booties, goggles, scrubs, high-energy food & clean water & etc. simply can't be delivered - What happens to Ebola containment then? Once organization breaks down, how long does it take to restore it? What if there are multiple sources/causes of chaos & populations on the move?
 
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Yes, we need to allocate all the costs involved in our systems - all of them. The long-term medical costs of feeding people high-sugar, high-fat bulk diets - the impacts to cardiac disease, blood pressure, digestion, dentition. & so on. It's not going to be a pretty picture.

But if we - people, civilization, nations - don't make a dent in @ least starting to correct issues, nature deals in very direct measures - famine, pestilence, war, drought, mass breakdowns of government, massive waves of people fleeing war zones & trying to reach areas that are still habitable. We're seeing some of that, as people flee conflicts in the Middle East - it could get much worse. Think of Ebola - if the international network of aid, meds, medical supplies, disposable booties, goggles, scrubs, high-energy food & clean water & etc. simply can't be delivered - What happens to Ebola containment then? Once organization breaks down, how long does it take to restore it? What if there are multiple sources/causes of chaos & populations on the move?
You're preaching to the converted here, brother.

But again I bemoan the fact that many refuse to see the tie-in to flood damage, increased medical costs and all the other woes are linked back to factors that can be controlled but at a price. And so they balk at the price.
 
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We are animals. We are connected to animals. If you want us to stop killing each other then you have to create a better system.

Here is the thing. It is not that our connection to animals causes us to kill eachother as much as it is that animals connection to humans keeps them from killing each other as much.

That is what happened to the dinosaurs. They ate each other and then humans were put here to buffer the animals desire to kill each other a bit.
The better system is the frontal lobe of our brain, but we did not have the technology we have today that separates us from living like animals. Primitive people were consumed by the struggle to survive, civilizations improved life, but our consciousness got held in the past by religion and everywhere it is the aggressive warring people who rule, not the philosophers and gentle people.

It is interesting you say we are here to prevent the animals from killing each other. Before the God Abraham religions, I believe humans had a much better connection with the rest of life, believing it all to be sacred. I think we need to return to the notion that all life is sacred.
 
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The better system is the frontal lobe of our brain, but we did not have the technology we have today that separates us from living like animals. Primitive people were consumed by the struggle to survive, civilizations improved life, but our consciousness got held in the past by religion and everywhere it is the aggressive warring people who rule, not the philosophers and gentle people.

It is interesting you say we are here to prevent the animals from killing each other. Before the God Abraham religions, I believe humans had a much better connection with the rest of life, believing it all to be sacred. I think we need to return to the notion that all life is sacred.
To be honest you have no idea as to the shape of our conscious in the past. I do not say that to be rude or judgmental but if you had any idea of what we thought or believed in the past then you would not have made that statement. History is only what was carried forth throughout time and it would be unwise to say we understand things now as we done in the past. We read things some people wrote but we do not understand the words or the language as we did before. Our understanding of words and meanings has been skewed in the last hundred years or so. There really is no before the God of abraham religions just a time before such was made known in some ways.