New Age No War

Nov 2013
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Animals kill each other and it is time for humans to stop acting like animals. Humanity has always struggled for a better tomorrow and language has made us more capable of manifesting a better tomorrow than any other animal. Yet our ability to live by reason, rather than animal instinct has been seriously lacking until the technology of the New Age, a time of high tech and peace and the end of tyranny.

We are at crossroads. We can annihilate humanity by continuing to make Old Age bad choices, or we can fully realize a New Age. To make this transition we must destroy the religions from the old age and create a new mythology for the New Age.
Modern humans are worse than animals. There is nothing that humanity needs more, right now, than war. War will reverse dysgenic cultures and once again apply sound evolutionary pressure to save the human gene pool. Without war, humans will decay into nasty lower primates. So let us all pray for war.
 
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#52
Modern humans are worse than animals. There is nothing that humanity needs more, right now, than war. War will reverse dysgenic cultures and once again apply sound evolutionary pressure to save the human gene pool. Without war, humans will decay into nasty lower primates. So let us all pray for war.
Disagree. How is war good for advancing humanity, if it kills off or maims the young, healthy & the strong? War certainly pushes forward military technology & related disciplines - but that isn't what's directly blighting our societies. Can you explain more on how war is good for us?
 
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Sep 2015
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#53
The OP demonstrates the Liberal inability to understand true evil....No matter how educated or cultured a society becomes there will always be those who are determined to dominate and control others and there will always be those who treasure their independence and right to be left alone...

It is basic human nature and it will never change
 
Nov 2013
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#54
Disagree. How is war good for advancing humanity, if it kills off or maims the young, healthy & the strong? War certainly pushes forward military technology & related disciplines - but that isn't what's directly blighting our societies. Can you explain more on how war is good for us?
War is the only legitimate contest of cultures. In war, good cultures generally beat bad cultures, and by this the world improves. At the individual level, civilian casualties are now common in war, so those with resolve and resourcefulness are more likely to survive. One of the best recent events in evolutionary terms was the Holocaust which wiped out jews who lacked these traits. This is why jewish descendants of Holocaust survivors are generally successful. The rest of humanity needs a similar holocaust to improve their genetic quality.
 
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War is the only legitimate contest of cultures. In war, good cultures generally beat bad cultures, and by this the world improves. At the individual level, civilian casualties are now common in war, so those with resolve and resourcefulness are more likely to survive. One of the best recent events in evolutionary terms was the Holocaust which wiped out jews who lacked these traits. This is why jewish descendants of Holocaust survivors are generally successful. The rest of humanity needs a similar holocaust to improve their genetic quality.
That doesn't explain why Hitler, Mussolini, Hirohito & Franco (Spain) did so well initially during their wars. Certainly theirs were bad cultures before & after. & for that matter, there's Stalin - who did not improve @ all, as far as I can tell, even after standing off Hitler's military.

Jewish individuals tended & tend to do well in more civilized countries/societies, & in medicine & law & the arts (literature & languages, especially). That has been true for some considerable time, & is one of the reasons they as disliked as a group. Have you factored that into the general successfulness of the Jewish population after WWII? & their baseline (for success) starts very high. How much extra boost has the Jewish population gotten as a result of their resolve & resourcefulness?
 
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Modern humans are worse than animals. There is nothing that humanity needs more, right now, than war. War will reverse dysgenic cultures and once again apply sound evolutionary pressure to save the human gene pool. Without war, humans will decay into nasty lower primates. So let us all pray for war.
What is your strategy for surviving a large military attack in your region?
 
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Disagree. How is war good for advancing humanity, if it kills off or maims the young, healthy & the strong? War certainly pushes forward military technology & related disciplines - but that isn't what's directly blighting our societies. Can you explain more on how war is good for us?
Yes, that was about the stupidest thing I've read here lately! I don't even give a star for the tech development either! Since any new tech that's come from war department funding could have easily been created

Last year, during the 100th anniversary commemorations of the end of the first World War, there were a few high quality and informative documentaries about the War, the aftermath, but also some thought-provoking analysis about the causes, motivations during the buildup to war, contributed to by a number of historians who've written on the subject.

That first world war...which is considered a much bigger deal in Canada than in the US, largely because Canada was in the War from the very start and for the first time, like Australia, was fielding it's own armed divisions in the bloody, deadly battles in France, Belgium and Holland, still gets a fair bit of analysis, though the arguments over causes still aren't resolved. But one point all the historians seem to agree on, was that the mood among the ruling classes in Europe...judging from decades of incendiary political rhetoric, the Great War was inevitable even if the rulers of England, France and Germany had so much trouble making any simple arguments for declaring war. It seemed mostly that when fighting broke out among their proxies in the Balkans, they just decided the time has come!

No doubt the leaders....who had no skin in the game....like today, making sure that their sons who were of age could not be drafted and sent off to the killing fields, thought the war would be over in a matter of weeks and would just serve to advance their power and prestige/ instead of destroying nations like the Austro-Hungary and Ottoman Empires, and served as a timely catalyst for the Bolsheviks in Russia to take advantage of being the only antiwar party and organization and so dissolved parliament- setting up a revolutionary government to their liking.

Most proles or average workers and farmers who were given rifles and sent off to do the killing realized if they didn't know already, that they were just pawns or tools of the rich classes that owned business and banking and greatly profited from the death and destruction. Up till the outbreak of war, many among these working classes likely read the pro war propaganda which included racist and eugenics arguments for Europe's long drought with no wars being a bad thing requiring a winnowing and purification of the masses.
So, since the slaughter of Europe was so extreme and lasted four long bloody years, it became a time of revolution around the world, as working people in many different, disparate nations, of different nationalities and languages all felt a commonality over what they had suffered because of leaders who couldn't give them one fucking good reason why they sent them off to kill each other!

But, as we know, the "permanent revolution" envisioned by Leon Trotsky never happened! The bourgeoisie classes had steered their nations into a dead end, and there was an upheaval at the top, as much of the old money- landowning aristocracies in Europe fell and were replaced by the new industrialists. For a couple of decades, socialism was still a powerful unifying force, but was crippled by the ruthless grab for power of the fascist Nazis in Germany and socialists and communists in the west...who had been pacifists since the end of the Great War, were badly divided over how to respond to Germany's military buildup and aggressive demands for claiming more and more bordering territory. After so many fake excuses concocted by your own governments and ruling classes, it took a few years of Nazi vengeful aggression in Europe before everyone started feeling that this time unfortunately was different.

Well, to wrap it up, we're at that point once again where an even more profitable and controlling set of war industries and financiers keep pushing US foreign policy and NATO policy in particular towards using the war option....through completely unlawful bombings (US drops a bomb or drone missile every 12 minutes under Trump Admin), regime change operations disguised as humanitarian efforts by NGO propaganda, and sanctions-- the pretext to many wars which is no more than laying siege to a nation the US wants to overthrow and starving out the poorest and most defenseless parts of the affected countries....44000 Venezuelans have already died because of Obama/Trump sanctions warfare which blocks medical aid from getting through. Eventually, some embargoed nations like Iran....which have enough military power to take others down with them when threatened by US power, reach the point where they decide they have to fight back...and in Iran's example, they may have called Trump's bluff this time, since they can put enough pressure on US allied sheikdoms to cause economic damage for them, and dare the US to try to carry out an invasion that the experts declare will shut down oil production and shipping from the Gulf and cause all these US allies who are just teetering on the verge of collapse to completely implode when their tyrannical rule can no longer function.

And war will not be "advancing humanity" in the near future any more than it has in the past! Until patriarchal empires had grown in size and advanced to the point where they could hire soldiers to fight wars.....the first being a major battle between Egyptian and Assyrian armies in the fields of Megiddo at about 1500 b.c., there were no wars! Further back during a less crowded time of hunter-gatherers, different bands who did not settle permanently, usually found ways to avoid conflict with other groups since there was nothing to gain and much to lose fighting a group of strangers. So, bringing the age of warfare to an end should be easy, since it is not innately human nature....regardless of the propaganda you hear from ideological and financially motivated proponents of permanent war today.
 
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Feb 2014
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Modern humans are worse than animals. There is nothing that humanity needs more, right now, than war. War will reverse dysgenic cultures and once again apply sound evolutionary pressure to save the human gene pool. Without war, humans will decay into nasty lower primates. So let us all pray for war.
Oh my goodness, I hope you are wrong. I rather stay with the Enlightenment thinking about improving the human condition. However, my own family is not good grounds for hope. :lol:

You sure did pick up interest in the thread. Thank you.
 
Feb 2014
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That doesn't explain why Hitler, Mussolini, Hirohito & Franco (Spain) did so well initially during their wars. Certainly theirs were bad cultures before & after. & for that matter, there's Stalin - who did not improve @ all, as far as I can tell, even after standing off Hitler's military.

Jewish individuals tended & tend to do well in more civilized countries/societies, & in medicine & law & the arts (literature & languages, especially). That has been true for some considerable time, & is one of the reasons they as disliked as a group. Have you factored that into the general successfulness of the Jewish population after WWII? & their baseline (for success) starts very high. How much extra boost has the Jewish population gotten as a result of their resolve & resourcefulness?
I love want said considering the lectures I just watched about what the Enlightenment had to do with thoughts about Utopia, and what thoughts of Utopia had to do with the terrors of war, genocide, and revolutions. The intensions were good, but the thinking was seriously flawed and I think this has to do with the way history has been written. There may be much greater hope for humanity with the new history books that give us a different history. What you said of the Jews would go in that different history, as it is a people, not one guy sitting the seat of power and having far too much power for a single human not kept in check by the people.

More and more books are explaining what geology had to do with history and what it has to do with today and tomorrow. This is a much more sane explanation of our reality, past, present, and future.

And then there is all the research using science to explain why democracy is best, and the conditions that make people better or worse. This is so much better than Biblical explanations of human beings, being like angels and the worst animals, and favored by God or who should be punished by a God who wants to use His people to do the punishing, purging, killing. That is a terrible belief system.

I want to believe with better information we will do better.
 
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