Nike: Betsy Ross Flag vs the Stars and Bars . . . Confederate flag wins?

Nov 2012
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It is absolutely mind numbing that the pin heads at Nike would intentionally recall a shoe featuring the Betsy Ross flag because it allegedly glorifies slavery and racism. Could it be that Nike may secretly embrace the Stars and Bars, which is the actual flag which flew in opposition to ending slavery and the United States?

Let us review some historical facts for the nitwits at Nike and regarding slavery in America.

Slavery was first introduced on America soil in the early 1600s when a number of slaves were brought to Jamestown, Virginia, a British colony. And millions more were introduced long before the establishment of the United States and its flag.

It was in 1776 and the Revolutionary War, and under what is believed to be a war fought under a Betsy Ross flag, that the good people of America gained their independence from foreign domination [the real culprit of slavery on American soil] and upon gaining their independence the people within a number of the states, exercising their newly found freedom, immediately moved to share the blessings of liberty to all by abolishing slavery!

For example, the people of Vermont took this immediate action in their 1777 declaration of rights, which declared "no ... person born in this country, or brought here over sea, ought to beholden by law to serve any person as a servant, slave, or apprentice". Likewise, the Massachusetts Constitution of 1780 declared that "all men are born free and equal" and was used by the court a few years after its adoption to legally forbid any person to be held as a slave. And, in 1787, the Northwest Ordinance, adopted by the Confederation Congress on July 13, 1787, declared "there shall be neither slavery nor involuntary servitude in the said Territory, otherwise than in the punishment of crimes whereof the party shall have been duly convicted."


By the year 1788 all the states north of Maryland, except New York and New Jersey, had legislated to extinguish slavery, and by 1804 the remaining two northern states [N.Y. and N.J.] had put slavery to rest.

The truth is, the injustice of slavery was not an injustice inflicted or perpetrated by the government of the United States. Quite the contrary! Upon the creation of the United States government, as witnessed by Article 1, Sec. 2, Clause 3, of the Constitution of the United States, an aversion to slavery was expressed by a specific penalty imposed upon those states having state sponsored slavery. Unfortunately, the constitutional penalty for state-sponsored slavery has been distorted and mischaracterized over the years by race baiters and hustlers who claim the provision "made blacks three-fifths of a person." But a review of the actual words of Article 1, Sec. 2, clause 3, reveals slave holding states were penalized by this provision which denied them full representation in Congress in proportion to their actual population size---the population of slaves not being fully counted when apportioning representatives among the states, which diminished the voting strength of slave holding states in Congress Assembled!

And then there’s Article 1, Section 9 of our original Constitution by which slavery was intended to be taxed into extinction by the federal government.

”The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.”

Unfortunately, slavery did persist in America after the Revolutionary War, but it did so in a number of southern states and resulted in the War Between the States, a war fought under two different flags, the Confederal Flag, and the United States flag which evolved from the Betsy Ross flag and eventually put slavery to rest in the southern states!

So why are the nitwits at Nike pulling a shoe with a flag that resembles the first flag of the United States ___ a flag under which America’s independence was won, a flag representing the northern states which defeated the South, put an end to slavery, and replaced the Confederate flag in the South? Does Niki secretly yearn to see the Confederate flag replace the Betsy Ross flag? Or, are the bone heads at Nike merely victims of a government school eduction/indoctrination?

JWK

The Democrat Party Leadership has been angry, stupid and obnoxious ever since the Republican Party Leadership freed democrat owned slaves. ___ Author unknown

I want to preserve both, Both represents events in the history of our nation, We must remember the Good and Bad moments in our history.

I want to preserve the Story Nez Perce Tribe and their valiant fight, Chief Joseph, and the sadness of his words "We will fight no more, Forever"

WE must remember the liberation of Europe and the defeat of the Axis

We must remember Jim Crow, so it never happens again


You should read the Harry Turtledove Novels, he is a historian who wrote a series on the south winning the war...... First in the series was "Guns of the South"
 
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Let's just say it is 1864.....and Gen. George McClellan wins the election....He ran on ending the war with a treaty with the south...Now what would be thought of the Stars and Bars if that had happened ??.....Would the south also have eventually abandoned slavery??

The south would have ended Slavery, next president would have been most likely Robert E. Lee who was anti-slavery or we would have seen TN, VA, NC and Arkansas return to the Union and leave the Confederate states. Slavery was dying the Deep South Alabama LA and MS would have been the last holdout on the abolishment.
 
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Let's just say it is 1864.....and Gen. George McClellan wins the election....He ran on ending the war with a treaty with the south...Now what would be thought of the Stars and Bars if that had happened ??.....Would the south also have eventually abandoned slavery??
They would have abandoned slavery only at such a time as when it became economically impractical. Only then.
 
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I want to preserve both, Both represents events in the history of our nation, We must remember the Good and Bad moments in our history.

I want to preserve the Story Nez Perce Tribe and their valiant fight, Chief Joseph, and the sadness of his words "We will fight no more, Forever"

WE must remember the liberation of Europe and the defeat of the Axis

We must remember Jim Crow, so it never happens again


You should read the Harry Turtledove Novels, he is a historian who wrote a series on the south winning the war...... First in the series was "Guns of the South"
Turtledove writes fiction, "alternate history. You know, like "alternate facts." I think I read one of the series you refer to but didn't think it was very well written so I did not read any of the others.

If you enjoy novels of the Civil War one of the best is Killer Angels by Jeff Shaara, the first of a trilogy he wrote.
 
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Georgetown Univ. prof compares Betsy Ross flag to swastika and KKK cross
“Right now, this flag has been used by people who wanna pummel African Americans, Latinx, Jews, and other people.”

Campus Reform - July 6, 2019
Georgetown University sociology professor Michael Eric Dyson made the comparison on an MSNBC panel discussing Nike’s recent decision to pull a Fourth of July-themed shoe. He made the comparison after host Hallie Jackson asked why people might be upset at the flag’s inclusion on the shoe.

“Words matter. Symbols matter, too. Why don’t we wear a swastika for July 4th?” Dyson asked. “‘Cause, I don’t know, it makes a difference. The cross burning on somebody’s lawn? Why don’t we just have a Nike celebration of the [cross]? Well, because those symbols are symbols of hate.”
Georgetown Univ. prof compares Betsy Ross flag to swastika and KKK cross

You can buy tee-shirts with various Betsy Ross flag designs.
 

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