Official thread: How is the impeachment trial going?

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Once again, the variants of "Due Process," as per the US Constitution, ONLY apply regarding the potential deprivation of a person's life or liberty or property.

And, a public servant's removal from office does NOT deprive someone of their life or liberty or property.

In short, the impeachment process is NOT a criminal trial, nor even a civil trial for that matter. Rather, it is a remedial tool that serves to effectively maintain constitutional government by removing individuals in which congress sees as being unfit for office.

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Basically it's just part of the investigation. Not the trial.
 
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Hi OI. These arguments have been debunked so many times, one can assume you just don't want to hear the truth. But I'm going to try one more time to explain what's wrong with your arguments.

- The Nixon investigation was conducted by special counselor Archibald Cox. He did his investigation behind closed doors with a Grand Jury. The Clinton investigation was conducted by special counselor Ken Starr. He did his investigation behind closed doors with a Grand Jury. The Trump investigation started because the top lawyer at the CIA and the whistleblower both refered the case to the DOJ, but the DOJ rejected the case despite the fact that four offials from the Trump team have already been arrested, including Lev and Igor. Had the DOJ done an investigation, it would have been done behind closed doors. Since they didn't the House had to do it.

- There are no secret witnesses outside of the whistleblower, who as a whistleblower can legally remain annonymous per various SCOTUS rulings. The witnesses include Bill Taylor, George Kent, Fiona Hill, Marie Yavonovich, Alexander Vindman, George Sondland, Tim Morrison, and more. Some of these people are career diplomats, some are major Trump donors, some were hired by the Trump administration. Almost everyone who testified behind closed doors will be publicly testifying in the next two weeks.

- The president cannot cross examine in the House impeachment hearings just like Nixon wouldn't have and Clinton couldn't. That will happen in the Senate, where lawyers for both the House and the Trump administration will be able to ask questions and Senators will serve as the jury.

- "Due process" is a term that derives from the 6th amendment which applies to legal criminal proceedings. Impeachment is not a legal criminal proceeding. It's a political process.

- The Mueller report had a lot of damning information. It outlined 10 acts of obstruction and while it didn't show the Trump campaign strategically conspiring the Russia, it showed hundreds of links between the two parties, including the recently uncovered fact that Roger Stone briefed the president on the plans of Wikileaks.

- The House has soul responsibility to draw up rules for an impeachment. That's because this thing called the constitution says so. Even with that, Trump has more rights in this process compared to previous Presidents.
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I'm sorry if these facts upset you. But these are the facts.
Breaking news: Prez Phony says the constitution is phony and not a word from our comrades on the Right?
 
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solid opener by Schiff
smart move by Nunes to insult the witnesses who are about to tesify
repubs already attempting to disrupt
I don't see how any patriotic American can look at these clowns and think they care about our country
 
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solid opener by Schiff
smart move by Nunes to insult the witnesses who are about to tesify
repubs already attempting to disrupt
I don't see how any patriotic American can look at these clowns and think they care about our country
When the minority party doesn't get it's way, the best they can do is make it a shit show. Not a perfect apples to apples comparison, but if you recall how Ds handled the Kavanaugh hearing, it was largely a shit show. Interjecting, objecting, point of orders. Delays, delays, delays. Sometimes they work, most of the time they don't. But they need to show they're trying for any of these public hearings.
 
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George Kent just said not only did he not see anyone trying to shield Barisma, but he and others saught to have the CEO and the prosecutors who closed the case be investigated.

Interesting