OK conservative, states' rights advocates, where do you stand on this?

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California has made good progress in cleaning up its air, but now Trump wants to change that.
Trump plans to revoke a key California environmental power; state officials vow to fight
President Trump is expected Wednesday to revoke a decades-old rule that empowers California to set tougher car emissions standards than those required by the federal government — putting the state and the administration on a path to years of fighting in court.​
The move, which has been in the works for much of the last three years, would overturn the foundation for California’s role as an environmental leader in reducing greenhouse gas emissions and improving air quality. By revoking a special waiver the state has relied on for years to set its own standards, the administration will be saying that no state can impose more ambitious pollution controls than those adopted by the federal government.​
The Environmental Protection Agency, which will formally make the announcement, had no official comment on the plan, which is expected to be announced while Trump is in California for a campaign fundraising trip.​
The administration’s plan to revoke the waiver is likely to set off years of legal battles that could eventually land at the U.S. Supreme Court. The move affects not only California, but also 13 other states and the District of Columbia that follow its emissions regulations.​
Gov. Gavin Newsom called the administration’s plan part of a “political vendetta” against the state, and California Atty. Gen. Xavier Becerra said the administration had “no basis and no authority” for its action.​
“It’s a move that could have devastating consequences for our kids’ health and the air we breathe if California were to roll over,” Newsom said in a statement. “But we will not — we will fight this latest attempt and defend our clean car standards.”​

Lots more: Trump plans to revoke a key California environmental power; state officials vow to fight
 
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California has made good progress in cleaning up its air, but now Trump wants to change that.
Trump plans to revoke a key California environmental power; state officials vow to fight
President Trump is expected Wednesday to revoke a decades-old rule that empowers California to set tougher car emissions standards than those required by the federal government — putting the state and the administration on a path to years of fighting in court.​
The move, which has been in the works for much of the last three years, would overturn the foundation for California’s role as an environmental leader in reducing greenhouse gas emissions and improving air quality. By revoking a special waiver the state has relied on for years to set its own standards, the administration will be saying that no state can impose more ambitious pollution controls than those adopted by the federal government.​
The Environmental Protection Agency, which will formally make the announcement, had no official comment on the plan, which is expected to be announced while Trump is in California for a campaign fundraising trip.​
The administration’s plan to revoke the waiver is likely to set off years of legal battles that could eventually land at the U.S. Supreme Court. The move affects not only California, but also 13 other states and the District of Columbia that follow its emissions regulations.​
Gov. Gavin Newsom called the administration’s plan part of a “political vendetta” against the state, and California Atty. Gen. Xavier Becerra said the administration had “no basis and no authority” for its action.​
“It’s a move that could have devastating consequences for our kids’ health and the air we breathe if California were to roll over,” Newsom said in a statement. “But we will not — we will fight this latest attempt and defend our clean car standards.”​

Lots more: Trump plans to revoke a key California environmental power; state officials vow to fight
If I make break the sound of the crickets, I think it might be this:

  • I suspect the original waiver was granted on a law that is only enforced through the withholding of federal aid.
  • Which means California can opt out of the law anytime it wants to and sets whatever standards it likes.
  • For financial reasons, they likely will not.

And yes, this is guess. I'd need to dig into the law more deeply, but dinner awaits.
 

imaginethat

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If I make break the sound of the crickets, I think it might be this:

  • I suspect the original waiver was granted on a law that is only enforced through the withholding of federal aid.
  • Which means California can opt out of the law anytime it wants to and sets whatever standards it likes.
  • For financial reasons, they likely will not.

And yes, this is guess. I'd need to dig into the law more deeply, but dinnmper awaits.
I can't find any info affirming your guess. Maybe you can.

From the OP:

Concerned that each state would pass different regulations, Congress decided that the EPA would set vehicle pollution standards for the nation. But it carved out an exception for California, saying that the EPA would be required to grant the state a waiver to set its own rules, provided they were at least as stringent as the federal ones. Other states could choose to follow either California’s regulations or those set by the EPA.
The rule change to try to end that authority comes a few months after California spurned the White House by secretly negotiating a deal with four major automakers. As part of the pact, the car manufacturers — Ford, Honda, Volkswagen and BMW — agreed to voluntarily abide by California’s rules and increase fuel efficiency and reduce emissions, essentially ignoring the Trump administration’s plans to roll back tailpipe pollution standards.
Trump getting his widdle feelings hurt and being a bully.

Imagine that....
 

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It's always been my understanding that any entity could exceed the federal standards. They just couldn't do less than those standards. IE: A meat packing plant can be cleaner than the federal standards require. A factory can always produce less pollution than the standards allow. The very idea of the government punishing someone for doing BETTER than the required minimums should be utterly abhorrent to us.
 
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California has made good progress in cleaning up its air, but now Trump wants to change that.
Trump plans to revoke a key California environmental power; state officials vow to fight
President Trump is expected Wednesday to revoke a decades-old rule that empowers California to set tougher car emissions standards than those required by the federal government — putting the state and the administration on a path to years of fighting in court.​
The move, which has been in the works for much of the last three years, would overturn the foundation for California’s role as an environmental leader in reducing greenhouse gas emissions and improving air quality. By revoking a special waiver the state has relied on for years to set its own standards, the administration will be saying that no state can impose more ambitious pollution controls than those adopted by the federal government.​
The Environmental Protection Agency, which will formally make the announcement, had no official comment on the plan, which is expected to be announced while Trump is in California for a campaign fundraising trip.​
The administration’s plan to revoke the waiver is likely to set off years of legal battles that could eventually land at the U.S. Supreme Court. The move affects not only California, but also 13 other states and the District of Columbia that follow its emissions regulations.​
Gov. Gavin Newsom called the administration’s plan part of a “political vendetta” against the state, and California Atty. Gen. Xavier Becerra said the administration had “no basis and no authority” for its action.​
“It’s a move that could have devastating consequences for our kids’ health and the air we breathe if California were to roll over,” Newsom said in a statement. “But we will not — we will fight this latest attempt and defend our clean car standards.”​

Lots more: Trump plans to revoke a key California environmental power; state officials vow to fight
I believe Obama stopped Arizona from enforcing immigration laws they had. So it looks like it can be done.
Appeals court stops Ariz. immigration law
 

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California has made good progress in cleaning up its air, but now Trump wants to change that.
Trump plans to revoke a key California environmental power; state officials vow to fight
President Trump is expected Wednesday to revoke a decades-old rule that empowers California to set tougher car emissions standards than those required by the federal government — putting the state and the administration on a path to years of fighting in court.​
The move, which has been in the works for much of the last three years, would overturn the foundation for California’s role as an environmental leader in reducing greenhouse gas emissions and improving air quality. By revoking a special waiver the state has relied on for years to set its own standards, the administration will be saying that no state can impose more ambitious pollution controls than those adopted by the federal government.​
The Environmental Protection Agency, which will formally make the announcement, had no official comment on the plan, which is expected to be announced while Trump is in California for a campaign fundraising trip.​
The administration’s plan to revoke the waiver is likely to set off years of legal battles that could eventually land at the U.S. Supreme Court. The move affects not only California, but also 13 other states and the District of Columbia that follow its emissions regulations.​
Gov. Gavin Newsom called the administration’s plan part of a “political vendetta” against the state, and California Atty. Gen. Xavier Becerra said the administration had “no basis and no authority” for its action.​
“It’s a move that could have devastating consequences for our kids’ health and the air we breathe if California were to roll over,” Newsom said in a statement. “But we will not — we will fight this latest attempt and defend our clean car standards.”​

Lots more: Trump plans to revoke a key California environmental power; state officials vow to fight
I'm not sure where I stand on this, but Trump will, in all likelihood, use all the options he has to force compliance. In the final analysis, Trump may need a second term, but he will probably prevail given that.