OK conservative, states' rights advocates, where do you stand on this?

Jul 2019
4,829
2,479
Georgia
California and 23 other states sue over trump's attempt to trample states' rights to have cleaner air

California Sues the Trump Administration in Its Escalating War Over Auto Emissions

"WASHINGTON — California and 23 other states on Friday filed suit against the Trump administration’s unprecedented legal reversal of the state’s authority to set its own rules on climate-warming tailpipe emissions."

~~~~

some of the other states:

"States joining the lawsuit include Colorado, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Nevada, North Carolina, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Washington, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan."
 
  • Like
Reactions: leekohler2
Nov 2012
11,037
9,252
nirvana
I can't find any info affirming your guess. Maybe you can.

From the OP:

Concerned that each state would pass different regulations, Congress decided that the EPA would set vehicle pollution standards for the nation. But it carved out an exception for California, saying that the EPA would be required to grant the state a waiver to set its own rules, provided they were at least as stringent as the federal ones. Other states could choose to follow either California’s regulations or those set by the EPA.
The rule change to try to end that authority comes a few months after California spurned the White House by secretly negotiating a deal with four major automakers. As part of the pact, the car manufacturers — Ford, Honda, Volkswagen and BMW — agreed to voluntarily abide by California’s rules and increase fuel efficiency and reduce emissions, essentially ignoring the Trump administration’s plans to roll back tailpipe pollution standards.
Trump getting his widdle feelings hurt and being a bully.

Imagine that....
And don’t forget this also effects 23 other states. But more importantly, it also effects private corporations that have their own set standards. The federal government cannot require Toyota to comply with their standards. They can only inform them of their minimum standard. Toyota can set their efficiency standards above that set minimum, anywhere of their choosing.
 
Last edited:
May 2018
7,017
4,836
Chicago
California and 23 other states sue over trump's attempt to trample states' rights to have cleaner air

California Sues the Trump Administration in Its Escalating War Over Auto Emissions

"WASHINGTON — California and 23 other states on Friday filed suit against the Trump administration’s unprecedented legal reversal of the state’s authority to set its own rules on climate-warming tailpipe emissions."

~~~~

some of the other states:

"States joining the lawsuit include Colorado, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Nevada, North Carolina, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Washington, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan."
Trump has got to be the worst president we've ever seen.
 
Jul 2014
15,274
9,380
massachusetts
California emission standards have been adopted by: Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico (2011 model year and later), New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington, and the District of Columbia.
And that means that the California standard is the defacto US standard, because most of the cars sold in the US are sold in those states, and it wouldn't make sense to make a dirty gas guzzling version for Montana and Idaho.
 
May 2018
4,466
3,444
USA
But They Want Trump To Clean-Up Their Sidewalks
Trump Has A Proposal For Homeless In L.A.
President Trump reportedly ordered officials to wade into the homeless crisis in Los Angeles.
But local leaders are wary of federal involvement.

You Betcha...
Trump Plans a Crackdown on California Homelessness - CityLab
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...oving-residents-government-backed-facilities/
Huh, that's weird. Why wouldn't local officials want a grossly incompetent moron who knows nothing to address the situation?
 
Nov 2012
11,037
9,252
nirvana
But They Want Trump To Clean-Up Their Sidewalks
Trump Has A Proposal For Homeless In L.A.
President Trump reportedly ordered officials to wade into the homeless crisis in Los Angeles.
But local leaders are wary of federal involvement.

You Betcha...
Trump Plans a Crackdown on California Homelessness - CityLab
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...oving-residents-government-backed-facilities/
Let’s delve into that off topic quote for a moment.

“ but they want Trump to clean up their sidewalks “

“ but local leaders are wary of federal involvement “

Missed it by that much
 
  • Like
Reactions: se7en
May 2018
4,466
3,444
USA
That is not even questionable anymore, without a doubt he is. And everybody but the moronic right wingers saw it. BUt then again , they liked him because Trump was dumb and deplorable as they are
Rightwingers are usually very stupid people. Conservatives, in general, are usually quite stupid. It's why they fail at creative pursuits (writing, acting, music, etc). But what I think is particularly funny about them is that they seem to think ignorance is a sign of strength. They also think cowardly draft dodgers are "real men, people change!!". LOL. Of course they do because all Republican leadership, without exception, is comprised of draft dodging cowards like Trump, Cheney, Bush Jr, etc.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Hugh Jasshole
Dec 2018
3,947
1,128
New England
Again, you exclude whichever words are inconvenient for you...
From the article:
Concerned that each state would pass different regulations, Congress decided that the EPA would set vehicle pollution standards for the nation. But it carved out an exception for California, saying that the EPA would be required to grant the state a waiver to set its own rules, provided they were at least as stringent as the federal ones. Other states could choose to follow either California’s regulations or those set by the EPA.
The article clearly states that Congress established this (via the EPA).
You ignore those words.
And then you conclude that the Office of the President granted the EPA reg waiver...
:rolleyes:
To whom does the EPA report?