Origin of notion that the reason men own guns is because they're insecure about themselves

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Nyet, comrade, but I suspect everyone can see why someone who plans to leave the US and is always undermining the US, seeking to institute socialism and gun bans would defend their ideals.

Oh, he is defending them?

Seems to me like he is putting in a considerable amount of effort to blurr the lines and avoid the topic. But that's just me. I have a tendency to miss normal social cues
 
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You should look that up. The issue has been "socialism". I am not interested in totalitarian governments.
Huh, i thought the discussion was gun control
You could just try to stay on the topic, indicate that you do not want to answer or are unable to answer. It is fairly simple.
So again:
"So you think that someone who is twitchy, anxious, paranoid and threatened should not have a firearm?Just a yes or no would be adequate. "
All societies that I know that are considered socialist or with prominent socialist institutions have firearms, firearm policies, and citizen ownership of weapons (consider the Scandanavian countries, for example). Gun violence is typically worse in the countries that do NOT have effective firearm regulation, centrally. Unsophisticated people often confuse socialism with fascism or communism. Of course, nothing could be further from the truth, but it is always easier to reduce political systems to the fanciful extreme rather than the reality.
Yeah, this is simply untrue.

Look. All i did was search the 1st socialist nation that came to mind and followed it w/ gun laws.


Venezuela has brought a new gun law into effect which bans the commercial sale of firearms and ammunition.

Venezuela bans private gun owners



Fyi. That was in 2012
Your link is more about gun sales than gun ownership.
Isn't Venezuela a communist country? This is a discussion of countries with socialist institutions. Socialism is not identical to communism. Any totalitarian society will try to ban firearms. No surprise there. Saudia Arabia is a similar situation I am sure to Venezuela.

Many "socialist" countries on this list:

15 nations with the highest gun ownership | Deseret News

Then you choose to draw the parallel between socialist nations and totalitarian regimes. Ironically i am not aware of a totalitarian regime that did not share your views on gun control.

So using your words (quoted above)

You could just try to stay on the topic, indicate that you do not want to answer or are unable to answer. It is fairly simple.
 
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Nyet, comrade, but I suspect everyone can see why someone who plans to leave the US and is always undermining the US, seeking to institute socialism and gun bans would defend their ideals.
Not really making much sense there, Bad Bob.
I am sure complex political discussions are difficult for you.
You only demonstrate your further lack of understanding when you impute opinions and motives to someone you do not understand.
 
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This is him attempting to avoid the topic.

It is a common practice of leftists. They wish to discuss the nuances of "socialism" indirectly. Try and pin them into a direct debate on the subject and they run away EVERY SINGLE TIME

They hope to drag the thread out long enough to shade the original topic, but im sure that you are aware of this.
 
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Huh, i thought the discussion was gun control
...Then you choose to draw the parallel between socialist nations and totalitarian regimes. Ironically i am not aware of a totalitarian regime that did not share your views on gun control.
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You seem to be unable to distinguish "socialism" from "totalitarianism" so try not to impose your ignorance on me.
I have not defended totalitarian governments. You have been conflating the two, but in spite of my best efforts you do not seem to be able to distinguish "socialism" as an economic policy and "totalitarianism" as a political institution.
 
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This is him attempting to avoid the topic.

It is a common practice of leftists. They wish to discuss the nuances of "socialism" indirectly. Try and pin them into a direct debate on the subject and they run away EVERY SINGLE TIME

They hope to drag the thread out long enough to shade the original topic, but im sure that you are aware of this.
I am sure that it is difficult for you to accept that "socialism" does not mean "totalitarianism" as you probably cannot process the concepts separately and they are inextricably connected in your mind. Fine. I can accept you have a learning disorder and should be treated with special consideration.
 
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You seem to be unable to distinguish "socialism" from "totalitarianism" so try not to impose your ignorance on me.
I have not defended totalitarian governments. You have been conflating the two, but in spite of my best efforts you do not seem to be able to distinguish "socialism" as an economic policy and "totalitarianism" as a political institution.

I am not discussing the nuances of political terminology. I am discussing gun control. You brought totalitarianism into the debate. Curiously gun control and totalitarian regimes seem to be intertwined.

I would be happy to discuss socialism in the socialism thread w/ you also. Economics is not necessary here though authoritarianism is.
 
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I am sure that it is difficult for you to accept that "socialism" does not mean "totalitarianism" as you probably cannot process the concepts separately and they are inextricably connected in your mind. Fine. I can accept you have a learning disorder and should be treated with special consideration.

Feel free to project your inadequacies on me.
 
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I am not discussing the nuances of political terminology. I am discussing gun control. You brought totalitarianism into the debate. Curiously gun control and totalitarian regimes seem to be intertwined.

I would be happy to discuss socialism in the socialism thread w/ you also. Economics is not necessary here though authoritarianism is.
Perhaps you should explain the process that led you to your particular arbitrary views of firearms and your belief that rational, issue-based firearm regulation is unwise or immoral or in violation of your ideology.