Paul Manafort's new indictment

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Yes, today he was sentenced to an additional 3.5 years, giving him a max of about 7 years in prison.

But his day is not over.

The Associated Press is reporting that prosecutors in New York City have indicted Paul Manafort for mortgage fraud, conspiracy, and other state charges.

The key here is STATE crimes. The president can't pardon someone for state crimes.
Is that really true about the state restriction on pardons?
But the crimes you are talking about occurred when Manafort was working for the Podesta Brothers (contracted by the DNC Clinton 2008 campaign and the Clinton foundation) from 2006-2014.

There were no indictments for crimes while he was working for Trump.. maybe because there were no crimes committed during that period.
Once more not really a contribution to the conversation. Maybe he worked for Mother Teresa, so what?
 
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Is that really true about the state restriction on pardons?


Once more not really a contribution to the conversation. Maybe he worked for Mother Teresa, so what?
Yes. The president can pardon someone for federal crimes but they cannot pardon someone crimes brought by the state. So the President has no influence on what's going on in Manhattan and the SDNY.
 
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Yes. The president can pardon someone for federal crimes but they cannot pardon someone crimes brought by the state. So the President has no influence on what's going on in Manhattan and the SDNY.

So (just planning ahead) if Pence becomes prez (whenever) and Trump is indicted by the SD of New York, Pence can't save his lying, corrupt ass??
Thanks for makin' my day!
 
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The beauty of that is that Trump can't pardon Manafort until after the 2020 election, that gives the state time to bring it's cases to court and secure guilty verdicts.
Then add that time after the federal sentences. Even if Trump pardons him, he just gets moved from Danbury to Sing-Sing.
Unlike Cohen, Manafort will probably die in prison.
Just a message for the people who don't want to rat out Trump.

Wouldn't you think all Trump's bootlickers would see the writing on the wall by now? The guy is GOING DOWN sooner or later and yet the cult is going strong?? Do the Senate Disciples STILL think they should be riding the Trump Choo-choo??

Are these people complete morons? Or just plain insane?
 
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Wouldn't you think all Trump's bootlickers would see the writing on the wall by now? The guy is GOING DOWN sooner or later and yet the cult is going strong?? Do the Senate Disciples STILL think they should be riding the Trump Choo-choo??

Are these people complete morons? Or just plain insane?
You know how some people stay in a bad marriage for years beyond the point where everyone knows it's ending in divorce, you know how long you sit in theatre thinking "This movie sucks" before you actually walk out, we have hope, we invested in this, it will turn around, it could turn around, we have to go through that before we get to "I'm outta here".

And some people never do, there are still people who will tell you they like Nixon, that Saddam Hussein had to go, that even though we didn't find and WMDs, it was still worth it, even though all we did was align Iraq with Iran. Some people will still tell you that invading Afghanistan was the right call.
 
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So (just planning ahead) if Pence becomes prez (whenever) and Trump is indicted by the SD of New York, Pence can't save his lying, corrupt ass??
Thanks for makin' my day!
Oops I apologize but the SDNY is indeed a federal court. However the NY State AG has all sorts of investigations going on right now and yes, according to your hypothetical, a president Pence couldn't issue any pardon to stop a state prosecution. Hypothetically
 
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Wouldn't you think all Trump's bootlickers would see the writing on the wall by now? The guy is GOING DOWN sooner or later and yet the cult is going strong?? Do the Senate Disciples STILL think they should be riding the Trump Choo-choo??

Are these people complete morons? Or just plain insane?
The troublesome aspect of the Manafort sentencing was the implication by the judge that Manafort was only caught because there was the Mueller investigation which, in a way, is a vindication of tax evasion and the possiblity that Manafort would never have been caught but for Mueller.
 
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So (just planning ahead) if Pence becomes prez (whenever) and Trump is indicted by the SD of New York, Pence can't save his lying, corrupt ass??
Thanks for makin' my day!
I'm not sure about the timing but at least one reporter speculated that the reason Trump wants so desperately to win in 2020 is that a lot of the things he can be charged with by the state of NY will have reached their statute of limitations date. And it is just assumed that they wouldn't indict him while president.

Now that's incentive.