Porn And Video Games Are Ruining The Next Generation Of American Men

Porn And Video Games Are Ruining The Next Generation Of American Men

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Oct 2010
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Porn And Video Games Are Ruining The Next Generation Of American Men
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[font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Psychologist Philip Zimbardo claims that today's young men are destined for failure because of porn and video games.[/font]



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In his controversial book​
The Demise of Guys: Why Boys Are Struggling And What We Can Do About It,
Zimbardo and co-author Nikita Duncan outline why he thinks men are failing in education and personal relationships.​
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[font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]He suggests parents limit or cut off access to computers and video games to get their sons on the right track.[/font]



[font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Some highlights from the book:[/font]



[font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]-Females currently outperform males at every level, from grade school to graduate school. Boys are 30 percent more likely than girls to drop out of high school and college, according to the National Center of Education Statistics.[/font]



[font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]-In 2011, young men's SAT scores were the worst they had been in 40 years.[/font]



[font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]-Even Hollywood has caught on: films like Failure to Launch, Knocked Up and Jackass mock the ineptitude of this generation.[/font]



[font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]-Boys account for 70 percent of D's and F's given at school.[/font]



[font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]-Research shows guys aren't interested in being husbands, fathers or the head of the household.[/font]



[font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]-Boys are four to five times more likely than girls to have Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, according to the National Center for Education Statistics. Two-thirds of students in special education programs are guys.[/font]



[font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]-The average boy spends 13 hours a week playing video games. The average girl spends 5. The average young American will spend 10,000 hours playing video games by age 21. That's twice the time it takes to earn a bachelor's degree.[/font]



[font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]-The average high school boy spends two hours watching porn every week. Men can't escape porn: 13,500 full-length commercial porn films were released in 2011, compared with 600 Hollywood films.[/font]



[font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]-Researchers claim that internet pornography is hurting young boys' ability to form meaningful romantic relationships because they objectify their partner.[/font]



[font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]-It's predicted that 60 percent of bachelor's degrees will go to women by 2016.[/font]



[font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]-63 percent of men surveyed said they had a lack of motivation because of mixed messages from the media and society on their role.[/font]



[font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]-70 percent of young men surveyed said their generation wouldn't be as smart or innovative as their peers in other First World countries.
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Mar 2007
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2
Alabama
#2
-Boys are four to five times more likely than girls to have Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, according to the National Center for Education Statistics. Two-thirds of students in special education programs are guys.


[font=georgia,serif]There are some good points there. [/font]



[font=georgia,serif]Though there are some poorly thought out ones, too. Such as the one that I quoted.[/font]



[font=georgia,serif]I think boys are over-medicated and under-disciplined in classrooms, today. Also there is a tendency not let boys just be boys. Sometimes Johnny just needs to raise a little Hell and let off steam so that he can then settle down to his lessons. I think many teachers and parents fail to recognize this fact. And I think that has more to do with the 4 or 5 to 1 ADHD statistic than video games or porn ever could.[/font]
 
Oct 2010
68,117
27,935
Colorado
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-Boys are four to five times more likely than girls to have Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, according to the National Center for Education Statistics. Two-thirds of students in special education programs are guys.


[font=georgia,serif]There are some good points there. [/font]



[font=georgia,serif]Though there are some poorly thought out ones, too. Such as the one that I quoted.[/font]



[font=georgia,serif]I think boys are over-medicated and under-disciplined in classrooms, today. Also there is a tendency not let boys just be boys. Sometimes Johnny just needs to raise a little Hell and let off steam so that he can then settle down to his lessons. I think many teachers and parents fail to recognize this fact. And I think that has more to do with the 4 or 5 to 1 ADHD statistic than video games or porn ever could.[/font]


I agree, mostly. Decades of feminine influence and single moms has led to the idea that young boys should act like young girls, utterly wrong.



But the effect of easily accessible pornography must not be overlooked. You or I can watch it, and be affected much, much differently than an 11-year old boy. An 11-year old boy might think, hey, that "normal sex."
 
Mar 2012
477
20
Maryland
#4
I don't think porn and video games are ruining the next generation of American men, I think lax parenting is the main reason these two things have had much of an impact at all.



With video games, I think it comes down to a lack of moderation and possible alternatives. I know sports have become a great way of staving off the 4-6 hours gaming marathons boys these days are prone to. However, getting kids out of the house is incredibly difficult since these days you can't just tell boys (or girls for that matter) to "go play outside." Advances in technology has allowed young boys to avoid having to be in the same room with their friends to talk or play. What's strange is that when video games first emerged, few boys were consumed by them. For many, a local arcade was the only place they had access to video games. Now, parents are allowing for full fledge gaming systems to be bought and every spare moment usually ends up spent in front of a screen. I think the best solution is parents designating "gaming" time for their kids and trying to help them find other interests. It's hard for a young boy to think about school or their future when the majority of their day is spent gaming.



I think the impact of porn on American boys is directly due to the lack of conversation about it. However, I'm not referring to the "porn is bad, porn is deviance" kind of conversation. I'm talking about a conversation where porn is discussed in terms of what it is truly created for, and more specifically, what age group it is created for. Parents already address the usual concerns (drugs, alcohol, unsafe sex), but maybe it's time that porn is address in those conversations as well. As Imaginethat mentioned, young boys are affected differently by watching porn and it does have the power to confuse and even damage their understanding of sexual relationships. Essentially, it's about teaches boys that porn is something for adults, like alcohol or cigarrettes. It's something that can lead to addiction for some or sexual confusion for others. And when boys become adults, porn is something that should be viewed in moderation during an appropriate time and place.
 
Oct 2010
68,117
27,935
Colorado
#5
I don't think porn and video games are ruining the next generation of American men, I think lax parenting is the main reason these two things have had much of an impact at all.



With video games, I think it comes down to a lack of moderation and possible alternatives. I know sports have become a great way of staving off the 4-6 hours gaming marathons boys these days are prone to. However, getting kids out of the house is incredibly difficult since these days you can't just tell boys (or girls for that matter) to "go play outside." Advances in technology has allowed young boys to avoid having to be in the same room with their friends to talk or play. What's strange is that when video games first emerged, few boys were consumed by them. For many, a local arcade was the only place they had access to video games. Now, parents are allowing for full fledge gaming systems to be bought and every spare moment usually ends up spent in front of a screen. I think the best solution is parents designating "gaming" time for their kids and trying to help them find other interests. It's hard for a young boy to think about school or their future when the majority of their day is spent gaming.



I think the impact of porn on American boys is directly due to the lack of conversation about it. However, I'm not referring to the "porn is bad, porn is deviance" kind of conversation. I'm talking about a conversation where porn is discussed in terms of what it is truly created for, and more specifically, what age group it is created for. Parents already address the usual concerns (drugs, alcohol, unsafe sex), but maybe it's time that porn is address in those conversations as well. As Imaginethat mentioned, young boys are affected differently by watching porn and it does have the power to confuse and even damage their understanding of sexual relationships. Essentially, it's about teaches boys that porn is something for adults, like alcohol or cigarrettes. It's something that can lead to addiction for some or sexual confusion for others. And when boys become adults, porn is something that should be viewed in moderation during an appropriate time and place.


Check out "The Demise of Guys" here, and let me know what you think. Click on the book icon, and read the excerpt from "The Demise of Guys" chapter.



If I'd had any sons, I would have taught them that resisting sex usually is more laudable than giving into the moment. I think it's one of the first adult lessons to teach young men. I think it's a vital masculine lesson, maybe "the" most vital lesson. And, it's not being taught.



Even "back when" when I was young, and carrying over into now, I've met few men who ever resisted a willing woman.



Now, 13,500 full-length porn movies were made in 2011, and every woman in them is a willing woman without all the damned complications involved in "real life."
 
Mar 2012
477
20
Maryland
#6
XanderCrews' timestamp='1343613353' post='417658 said:
I don't think porn and video games are ruining the next generation of American men, I think lax parenting is the main reason these two things have had much of an impact at all.



With video games, I think it comes down to a lack of moderation and possible alternatives. I know sports have become a great way of staving off the 4-6 hours gaming marathons boys these days are prone to. However, getting kids out of the house is incredibly difficult since these days you can't just tell boys (or girls for that matter) to "go play outside." Advances in technology has allowed young boys to avoid having to be in the same room with their friends to talk or play. What's strange is that when video games first emerged, few boys were consumed by them. For many, a local arcade was the only place they had access to video games. Now, parents are allowing for full fledge gaming systems to be bought and every spare moment usually ends up spent in front of a screen. I think the best solution is parents designating "gaming" time for their kids and trying to help them find other interests. It's hard for a young boy to think about school or their future when the majority of their day is spent gaming.



I think the impact of porn on American boys is directly due to the lack of conversation about it. However, I'm not referring to the "porn is bad, porn is deviance" kind of conversation. I'm talking about a conversation where porn is discussed in terms of what it is truly created for, and more specifically, what age group it is created for. Parents already address the usual concerns (drugs, alcohol, unsafe sex), but maybe it's time that porn is address in those conversations as well. As Imaginethat mentioned, young boys are affected differently by watching porn and it does have the power to confuse and even damage their understanding of sexual relationships. Essentially, it's about teaches boys that porn is something for adults, like alcohol or cigarrettes. It's something that can lead to addiction for some or sexual confusion for others. And when boys become adults, porn is something that should be viewed in moderation during an appropriate time and place.


Check out "The Demise of Guys" here, and let me know what you think. Click on the book icon, and read the excerpt from "The Demise of Guys" chapter.



If I'd had any sons, I would have taught them that resisting sex usually is more laudable than giving into the moment. I think it's one of the first adult lessons to teach young men. I think it's a vital masculine lesson, maybe "the" most vital lesson. And, it's not being taught.



Even "back when" when I was young, and carrying over into now, I've met few men who ever resisted a willing woman.



Now, 13,500 full-length porn movies were made in 2011, and every woman in them is a willing woman without all the damned complications involved in "real life."


The book makes some good points, especially in regards to the delusional nature of pornography and how many boys are confusing it with reality. What I read of the book's excerpts did raise an important question, are porn movies the only pornographic material these studies address?



For example, during the past 30-40 years there has been an ever-increasing amount of erotica being written. There are novels and short stories published "officially" and sold to consumers. But then there's the millions (probably billions if we take into account the HUGE popularity of erotic fanfiction) of erotic novels and short stories written and distributed for free online. Would such creations be considered pornography for it's extremely graphic smut, or does the presence of an actual storyline and narrative place it in a category of its own? If the latter is true, can porn movies be salvaged from their destructive reputation if more effort is placed to make the movies more realistic rather than fantasies of male domination and female supplication?



Just something to consider
 
Oct 2010
68,117
27,935
Colorado
#7
imaginethat' timestamp='1343630201' post='417710 said:
[quote name='XanderCrews' timestamp='1343613353' post='417658']

I don't think porn and video games are ruining the next generation of American men, I think lax parenting is the main reason these two things have had much of an impact at all.



With video games, I think it comes down to a lack of moderation and possible alternatives. I know sports have become a great way of staving off the 4-6 hours gaming marathons boys these days are prone to. However, getting kids out of the house is incredibly difficult since these days you can't just tell boys (or girls for that matter) to "go play outside." Advances in technology has allowed young boys to avoid having to be in the same room with their friends to talk or play. What's strange is that when video games first emerged, few boys were consumed by them. For many, a local arcade was the only place they had access to video games. Now, parents are allowing for full fledge gaming systems to be bought and every spare moment usually ends up spent in front of a screen. I think the best solution is parents designating "gaming" time for their kids and trying to help them find other interests. It's hard for a young boy to think about school or their future when the majority of their day is spent gaming.



I think the impact of porn on American boys is directly due to the lack of conversation about it. However, I'm not referring to the "porn is bad, porn is deviance" kind of conversation. I'm talking about a conversation where porn is discussed in terms of what it is truly created for, and more specifically, what age group it is created for. Parents already address the usual concerns (drugs, alcohol, unsafe sex), but maybe it's time that porn is address in those conversations as well. As Imaginethat mentioned, young boys are affected differently by watching porn and it does have the power to confuse and even damage their understanding of sexual relationships. Essentially, it's about teaches boys that porn is something for adults, like alcohol or cigarrettes. It's something that can lead to addiction for some or sexual confusion for others. And when boys become adults, porn is something that should be viewed in moderation during an appropriate time and place.


Check out "The Demise of Guys" here, and let me know what you think. Click on the book icon, and read the excerpt from "The Demise of Guys" chapter.



If I'd had any sons, I would have taught them that resisting sex usually is more laudable than giving into the moment. I think it's one of the first adult lessons to teach young men. I think it's a vital masculine lesson, maybe "the" most vital lesson. And, it's not being taught.



Even "back when" when I was young, and carrying over into now, I've met few men who ever resisted a willing woman.



Now, 13,500 full-length porn movies were made in 2011, and every woman in them is a willing woman without all the damned complications involved in "real life."


The book makes some good points, especially in regards to the delusional nature of pornography and how many boys are confusing it with reality. What I read of the book's excerpts did raise an important question, are porn movies the only pornographic material these studies address?



For example, during the past 30-40 years there has been an ever-increasing amount of erotica being written. There are novels and short stories published "officially" and sold to consumers. But then there's the millions (probably billions if we take into account the HUGE popularity of erotic fanfiction) of erotic novels and short stories written and distributed for free online. Would such creations be considered pornography for it's extremely graphic smut, or does the presence of an actual storyline and narrative place it in a category of its own? If the latter is true, can porn movies be salvaged from their destructive reputation if more effort is placed to make the movies more realistic rather than fantasies of male domination and female supplication?



Just something to consider


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Interesting point. The popularity of supplicating females with the self-pleasuring set is probably at an all-time high in terms of sheer numbers.
And my guess is the majority of erotic novels are read by women.



Porn with a story line, isn't that soft porn? The porn without tight shots of pistoning, light stubble, and mysterious red spots? It's available now, but the demand is for supplicating females, and tight shots of pistoning, light stubble, and mysterious red spots, don'tcha think?



When I think that thanks to easily accessible internet porn, 9-year olds know more about a female's intimate anatomy than I did at 18, I just shake my head. I had to work for that knowledge.....
 
Aug 2009
1,287
40
Martinez, California USA
#8
-Boys are four to five times more likely than girls to have Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, according to the National Center for Education Statistics. Two-thirds of students in special education programs are guys.


[font=georgia,serif]There are some good points there. [/font]



[font=georgia,serif]Though there are some poorly thought out ones, too. Such as the one that I quoted.[/font]



[font=georgia,serif]I think boys are over-medicated and under-disciplined in classrooms, today. Also there is a tendency not let boys just be boys. Sometimes Johnny just needs to raise a little Hell and let off steam so that he can then settle down to his lessons. I think many teachers and parents fail to recognize this fact. And I think that has more to do with the 4 or 5 to 1 ADHD statistic than video games or porn ever could.[/font]


After all the theorizing and intellectual hand-wringing about ADHD, it may turn out to be something like a lack of outdoors recess in modern elementary schools. In this video I have posted before, the speaker shows the concentrations of ADHD in the USA (at about 3:40). Notice it is concentrated in the areas of most inhospitable off-season weather.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U