Question for socialists: what is socialism according to you?

Nov 2005
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#51
Not even one response to this question after about 2 weeks?
I don't believe there are no socialists or proponents of socialism on this forum.
What's the problem? Are you guys incapable of explaining your own ideology? Are you guys unwilling to explain it? Either way, I think this itself speaks rather poorly about your cause.
For an analogy, if you had asked for people to explain a trigonometry concept to you, while I could do it I wouldn't because I feel it would be wasted on you.

Part of the problem is that some right-winger's definition of "socialism" is nothing more than a meaningless slur that fails to understand that capitalism / socialism is actually more of a spectrum. But too often, there is a pretense that our nation is one or the other (or will become one or the other) based on some singular policy shift.


Socialism to me is giving 12 billion taxpayer dollars to farmers to alleviate the political damage caused by your own stupid trade war WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF CONGRESS.
And I note that not one right-winger has responded to this.
Which brings me back to my comment on this issue being wasted on some people because they don't want to talk about the socialism their party engages in or they support.


Clicker II said:
Issue is, and I'd like to know to, what definition do those here who seem to want to be socialists but really aren't. Book definitions are good but what do you think you are?
My interpretation of what you just said is that you want to dismiss the book definitions and have the discussions completely ignore such meaningful approaches.


Clicker II said:
There are no replies either because those here who seem to agree and defend socialist policies are either afraid to commit or really don't know where they are on the scale.
Is that the reason Camelot's comment (repeated below) got ignored by the right-wing posters?
Camelot:
Socialism to me is giving 12 billion taxpayer dollars to farmers to alleviate the political damage caused by your own stupid trade war WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF CONGRESS.​
 
Jul 2014
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massachusetts
#52
Socialism is assigning importance to social issues.
If you support families, laws restricting work hours mean people spend more time with families.
Laws enabling people to make decisions with the interest of the family in mind are socialist.

It's relegating wealth to a secondary role.
 
Feb 2007
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New York
#53
Our conversations have always been good and I anticipate that they always will be.

For there to be a definitive definition of socialism, there would have to be only one form of socialism; that is not the case. Examples: Utopian Socialism, Marxism, Marxism–Leninism, Stalinism, Trotskyism, etc. Since 1500, there have been myriad forms of socialism, which precludes a definitive definition.

The American school system is a state affair, and more specifically a local affair.
There are many forms of socialism, yes. The commonalities are what define them as Socialism. Back to our jelly beans... There are many types and flavors of jelly beans, but they are all oval or bean shaped, have a sweetened/candy layer on the outside and a chewy jelly center. They don't all have to be the same to meet these basic criteria.
 
Nov 2012
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#54
Socialism, as most people know, is the replacement of capitalism by the rule of the vast working-class majority on the way to the elimination of classes altogether. Its economic nature is democratic control of the means of production, distribution and exchange
 
Nov 2012
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#55
Incidentally, we were asked about our own position. Everyone in my family, and nearly everyone around here, has been socialist since Churchill intervened to defeat the 1910 Strike, and for some time we had 'the strongest branch of the stongest union on earth'. At one time the only people who cared about us were Edward V111, the Quakers and Paul Robeson, who are remembered with deep affection, especially the last. My great-grandfather was the last Liberal from here on the Glamorgan County-Council, and lasted long enough to go on the Hunger March.
 
Nov 2012
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nirvana
#57
If you are a socialist, please first state that you are a socialist or proponent of socialism, then explain what is socialism according to you. You don't have to state that you are a socialist or proponent of socialism more than once, if you post more than once on this thread.
Someone who uses political connections to start a bank, gets free money from the treasury, loans it to idiots like you at a profit, when it's your money in the first place they're loaning to you, gives the political connections bribe money to pass laws allowing them to seize your assets if you don't pay back your money, and then give them tax breaks on the money that wasn't theirs in the first place.

Socialism.

Next dumbass question from the next conservative dumbass.
 
Jun 2012
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Barsoom
#58
There are many forms of socialism, yes. The commonalities are what define them as Socialism. Back to our jelly beans... There are many types and flavors of jelly beans, but they are all oval or bean shaped, have a sweetened/candy layer on the outside and a chewy jelly center. They don't all have to be the same to meet these basic criteria.
I believe your jellybean analogy should be expanded to candy. Jelly beans are as you described them, but they are candy. Some candies are round and some are oval. Round could represent ownership of the means of production, and oval could represent control of the means of production. They are both still candy.
 
Feb 2007
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New York
#59
I believe your jellybean analogy should be expanded to candy. Jelly beans are as you described them, but they are candy. Some candies are round and some are oval. Round could represent ownership of the means of production, and oval could represent control of the means of production. They are both still candy.
Clearly either one works since you got the concept right away. :)

Anyway, the point is that socialism, regardless of type, has several defining factors. One of these, ownership, eliminates the US as a socialist country.
 
Jun 2012
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Barsoom
#60
Clearly either one works since you got the concept right away. :)

Anyway, the point is that socialism, regardless of type, has several defining factors. One of these, ownership, eliminates the US as a socialist country.
Look at it like the US's mixed economy. Some components of socialism are used, but that does not make the US a socialist country. Controlling an Industry or its means of production to a degree is not socialism per se, but is a component of socialism with it roots based on socialism.