Roberts second guesses policy making decision on census, violates separation of power doctrine

Jul 2015
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In 2015 when Obama asked in the American Community Survey, “Is this person a citizen of the United States?”, one of the reasons he gave for asking the question is, it is “used to decide where new schools, hospitals, and fire stations are needed.” So, according to Obama, it’s important to ask “Is this person a citizen of the United States?” for the above stated reasons.

JWK

The Democrat Leadership is correct! The border crisis has been manufactured. It has been manufactured by the Democrat Leadership in Congress refusing to protect our borders against an ongoing invasion.
 
Jul 2018
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#12
Put the question on the forms. If people don't answer it for whatever reason, count them as non-citizens. In the final report it may reveal that there is only 180 million American citizens and all of the others are non-citizens. Then base government programs on that number and ignore all of the others.

edited typo.
 
Sep 2015
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#13
Trump may put the citizenship question on the census in spite of SCOTUS. What a dismal failure Roberts has turned out to be.
 
Jun 2018
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The question to me is, is the question constitutional? It is, the court is trying to call it unconstitutional because of what they see as political motive. In that case they should treat the same as the redistricting question and throw it out altogether. Proving motive is the toughest row to hoe out there. Divining motive is easy when following ideological dogma, one side says yes and the other side says no.............every time.
 
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Jun 2018
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#15
Trump may put the citizenship question on the census in spite of SCOTUS. What a dismal failure Roberts has turned out to be.
After all the whinng from the ACLU about missing "deadlines" etc being cause to never put the question on the census wouldn't their about face to stop it using any excuse imaginable be fun to watch.
The court has a bevy of judgments (or dodges) coming up next year, gonna be fun.
 
Sep 2015
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#16
After all the whinng from the ACLU about missing "deadlines" etc being cause to never put the question on the census wouldn't their about face to stop it using any excuse imaginable be fun to watch.
The court has a bevy of judgments (or dodges) coming up next year, gonna be fun.
The ACLU wants free cheese with their free wine. I can't go for that.
 
Jul 2015
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The question to me is, is the question constitutional? It is, the court is trying to call it unconstitutional because of what they see as political motive. In that case they should treat the same as the redistricting question and throw it out altogether. Proving motive is the toughest row to hoe out there. Divining motive is easy when following ideological dogma, one side says yes and the other side says no.............every time.

The Court when, it wrote the following, explained the tyranny which Justice Roberts has engaged in:


The power of courts to declare a statute unconstitutional is subject to two guiding principles of decision which ought never to be absent from judicial consciousness. One is that courts are concerned only with the power to enact statutes, not with their wisdom. The other is that while unconstitutional exercise of power by the executive and legislative branches of the government is subject to judicial restraint, the only check upon our own exercise of power is our own sense of self-restraint. For the removal of unwise laws from the statute books appeal lies, not to the courts, but to the ballot and to the processes of democratic government. U.S. v. Butler, 297 U.S. 1, 78-79 (1936)


Remember when Obama said elections have consequences? Why have elections if an unelected judge can ignore policy making decisions that are within the four walls of our Constitution?

JWK



"The public welfare demands that constitutional cases must be decided according to the terms of the Constitution itself, and not according to judges' views of fairness, reasonableness, or justice." – Justice Hugo L. Black (U.S. Supreme Court Justice, 1886 - 1971) Source: Lecture, Columbia University, 1968
 
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#18
President Trump needs to tell Justice Obamacare Roberts, the question is being asked for the same reasons Obama asked it!

JWK

The Democrat Leadership is correct! The border crisis has been manufactured. It has been manufactured by the Democrat Leadership in Congress refusing to protect our borders against an ongoing invasion.
Constitutionally required census v Community Survey

Why yes. Why think they are different.
 
Jul 2015
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#19
The bottom line question is, why was it constitutional for Obama’s Census Bureau to ask “Is this person a citizen of the United States”, and un-constitutional for today’s Census Bureau to ask the very same question? Keep in mind that Section 2 of the 14th Amendment requires the distinction between citizens and non-citizens to be made with reference to apportionment.


It appears Justice Roberts believes he is vested with a power to strike down laws and policy making decisions that do not meet his personal sense of fairness, reasonableness and justice, which in fact is second guessing our Constitution which actually requires, by Section 2 of the 14th Amendment to make a distinction between citizens and non-citizens with reference to apportionment.


Justice Roberts, who also embraced our federal government entering the states and meddling with the people’s unalienable right to make their own medical choices and decisions, needs to be held accountable for his acts of sedition and personal war against our Constitution.

JWK

"The public welfare demands that constitutional cases must be decided according to the terms of the Constitution itself, and not according to judges’ views of fairness, reasonableness, or justice." – Justice Hugo L. Black ( U.S. Supreme Court Justice, 1886 - 1971) Source: Lecture, Columbia University, 1968
 
Jul 2014
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#20
The bottom line question is, why was it constitutional for Obama’s Census Bureau to ask “Is this person a citizen of the United States”, and un-constitutional for today’s Census Bureau to ask the very same question? Keep in mind that Section 2 of the 14th Amendment requires the distinction between citizens and non-citizens to be made with reference to apportionment.


It appears Justice Roberts believes he is vested with a power to strike down laws and policy making decisions that do not meet his personal sense of fairness, reasonableness and justice, which in fact is second guessing our Constitution which actually requires, by Section 2 of the 14th Amendment to make a distinction between citizens and non-citizens with reference to apportionment.


Justice Roberts, who also embraced our federal government entering the states and meddling with the people’s unalienable right to make their own medical choices and decisions, needs to be held accountable for his acts of sedition and personal war against our Constitution.

JWK

"The public welfare demands that constitutional cases must be decided according to the terms of the Constitution itself, and not according to judges’ views of fairness, reasonableness, or justice." – Justice Hugo L. Black ( U.S. Supreme Court Justice, 1886 - 1971) Source: Lecture, Columbia University, 1968
Roberts knows something about the constitution and history and is concerned with his place in history.
He did what he did so that scholars will say he was a good Chief Justice, and a not a hack.