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Well, unless one is a strict pacificist one couldn't compare warfare or violence in genuine self-defense to aggresion against the innocent.
Christianity and pacifism should have parted ways once Jesus took up the whip in the temple.

The issue is not the virtues of warfare, rather, it is the virtues of fighting for what is true and just.
 

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Christianity and pacifism should have parted ways once Jesus took up the whip in the temple.

The issue is not the virtues of warfare, rather, it is the virtues of fighting for what is true and just.
BS. Agreed, there is a bogus, imposter church of Christ that agrees with your point, but that church has stood the Gospel on its head.

Matthew 5:38-48

Go the Second Mile
“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. If anyone wants to sue you and take away your tunic, let him have your cloak also. And whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two. Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away.

Love Your Enemies
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ [o]But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet your [p]brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the [q]tax collectors do so? Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
 
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BS. Agreed, there is a bogus, imposter church of Christ that agrees with your point, but that church has stood the Gospel on its head.

Matthew 5:38-48

Go the Second Mile
“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. If anyone wants to sue you and take away your tunic, let him have your cloak also. And whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two. Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away.

Love Your Enemies
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ [o]But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet your [p]brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the [q]tax collectors do so? Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
How then do you explain Jesus picking up a whip then when compared to the scripture you provided?
 
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BS. Agreed, there is a bogus, imposter church of Christ that agrees with your point, but that church has stood the Gospel on its head.

Matthew 5:38-48

Go the Second Mile
“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. If anyone wants to sue you and take away your tunic, let him have your cloak also. And whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two. Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away.

Love Your Enemies
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ [o]But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet your [p]brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the [q]tax collectors do so? Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
I don't believe Christ addressed how the state should be run, no.

Nor did he demand to defund the state or abolish its systems of law.
 
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So violence and lying etc., are not always "bad".

So how do we tell then when it is bad?
I did not say it was not "Bad", in fact I am quite confident his Mother would call it that. "We" decide what is bad for ourselves as individuals. Bad and Evil are subjective concepts.
 

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Back to what do you say when Aunt Sally asks if her new hat is beautiful?

It is situational.
 
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I don't believe Christ addressed how the state should be run, no.

Nor did he demand to defund the state or abolish its systems of law.
Well when talking with Pilot Christ said that his kingdom was not of this world, for if it was, his disciples would take up arms to free him.

As for how government should be, look at how the Hebrew nation was set up. No king, just judges to settle disputes. But then the people demanded a king, and God warned them of the abuses they would suffer under sinful man, but they would not heed the warning. Then they got Saul.

From then on it was a spiral downward into the ovens of Nazi Germany. In fact, I wonder how many Jews voted for the National Socialist Hitler.
 
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I did not say it was not "Bad", in fact I am quite confident his Mother would call it that. "We" decide what is bad for ourselves as individuals. Bad and Evil are subjective concepts.
I disagree. Unless you are a sociopath, you have a general idea as to what it good or bad.

The thing is, we all violate this inner code of conduct to some degree, and the more we ignore it I think the more it contributes to psychological issues that mess us up pretty bad.

In other words, we are without excuse.
 
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I disagree. Unless you are a sociopath, you have a general idea as to what it good or bad.

The thing is, we all violate this inner code of conduct to some degree, and the more we ignore it I think the more it contributes to psychological issues that mess us up pretty bad.

In other words, we are without excuse.
Yet MY idea generally is not Abduls idea when he Jihads someone for Allah. MY general idea that lying is unacceptable is clearly not the Presidents idea...thus a "General" position is invalid.